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Thread: Update: Smuggler Question for '19 Answers' 6/16 (Re-Focus Thread)
Ragnaat
Tue Jun 15, 2004 9:41 am
#40
I still really want to see something about the aftermath in there... but won't quit over it not being there... I'll just have to write a followup to post in the 19Q thread and have it never get answered.
That said, is there any way to fit pub 7 in the question? Something like...
"With publish 7 the recovery from a spice downer changed requiring the HAM bars to regenerate after the downer is gone. This has indirectly caused spice downers to be increased. Was this done on purpose and if so why? If not, are there plans to correct this bug?"
or there abouts
[ON EDIT: Skewed question back to us not knowing if it is bug or intententional]
That said, is there any way to fit pub 7 in the question? Something like...
"With publish 7 the recovery from a spice downer changed requiring the HAM bars to regenerate after the downer is gone. This has indirectly caused spice downers to be increased. Was this done on purpose and if so why? If not, are there plans to correct this bug?"
or there abouts
[ON EDIT: Skewed question back to us not knowing if it is bug or intententional]
Message Edited by Ragnaat on 06-15-2004 12:43 PM
garvin
Tue Jun 15, 2004 9:55 am
#41
Here is what I am considering submitting...and my reasons why....
Recently Smugglers saw a change to the way Spices Operated.
Before the change, when the spice boost ended and thedowner eventually wore off the players max HAM would regenerate with full HAM for the missing part. After the change when the downer ends, the players HAM isn't regenerated. It looks like you have massive damage. This has lead to longer down time and in the process hurt the usefulness of Spices as compared to food buffs. Sales of spices due to this have been severly impacted.
Why was the Spice downer changed requiring the HAM bars to regenerate after the downer is gone? This has indirectly caused spice downers to be increased. Was this done on purpose and if so why? And on this topic, since is had been confirmed by the Smuggler community and Spice users as an very undesired change, can it be reversed?
It would be very helpful to the Smuggler Community and Spice users at large to reverse this change and re-address the issue when the Smuggler Revamp finally hits.
Yes...this is much longer then proposed...but this does several things...It not only asks your question, but it tells others, those that might use Spice, what the issue is...
I've been a Spice user from time to time and know that I know about the change, I'm fully behind getting it reversed...that's why I threw the background in there...so that other's like me will get behind your cause...I also wanted to not only push for an answer "why" but also make a statement that Smugglers would like to see it reversed back to the old system...to stress that the Smuggler Community is not happy with the change...I'm also hoping to use the delay as ammunition to try and get this at least "temporarily" reversed by the final statement (to be re-addressed with the revamp)....
Thoughts? Love it? Hate it?Pessimistic?
Message Edited by garvin on 06-15-2004 10:31 AM
DRWolfe
Tue Jun 15, 2004 10:13 am
#42
Garvin, ya good. 
Of course, this actually leads to "longer down time" rather than "longer down town"
Of course, this actually leads to "longer down time" rather than "longer down town"
HOTDOG
Tue Jun 15, 2004 11:19 am
#44
love it
can't wait to hear the answer and hope they can change it back
can't wait to hear the answer and hope they can change it back
Nerj
Tue Jun 15, 2004 11:40 am
#45
yimaz wrote:
"Why was the Spice downer changed requiring the HAM bars to regenerate after the downer is gone? This has indirectly causedspice downersto beincreased. Was this done on purpose and if so why?"
Changed the wording a little, I think this flows better.
Predicted answer: "Spice effects are working as intended. Recovery from a downer makes sense, your mind and body are left drained from the use and you need to recover from the effects"
DRWolfe
Tue Jun 15, 2004 1:13 pm
#46
Nerj wrote:
yimaz wrote:"Why was the Spice downer changed requiring the HAM bars to regenerate after the downer is gone? This has indirectly caused spice downers to be increased. Was this done on purpose and if so why?"
Changed the wording a little, I think this flows better.
Predicted answer: "Spice effects are working as intended. Recovery from a downer makes sense, your mind and body are left drained from the use and you need to recover from the effects"
I don't expect this to be the actual answer. There's a real answer that Caylin knows and gave to TH to post as the answer to this question. I cannot believe this would be it. This is something they could have told us when it changed. We may not have liked the change, but this is at least a reason for the change and it would have done less damage to tell us a reason for something we didn't like than try to cover up something we didn't like.
DrevenStrobe
Tue Jun 15, 2004 1:19 pm
#47
The question looks good Garvin...
Roll with it. If we get an answer, that'll be great. If we don't, it won't be that much of a let-down. I've gotten to the point where I don't think my expectations could get any lower...
Tonteth
Tue Jun 15, 2004 2:20 pm
#48
What if the devs said they were yanking the smuggler profession until after the revamp? And that we lose all of our current progress, and that we'd have to start from scratch again, after JTL was live? Wouldn't your expectations drop then?
Nerj
Tue Jun 15, 2004 3:08 pm
#49
The change that took place is probably related to the combat balance. As such, Caylin would NOT be able to comment on it. The DEVs thought the the CB would be done by now, (rem: Creature Handler changes). In addition, the chef foods and doctors buffs were expected to offset these negative effects. But ask the question and we will see.
DRWolfe wrote:
I don't expect this to be the actual answer. There's a real answer that Caylin knows and gave to TH to post as the answer to this question. I cannot believe this would be it. This is something they could have told us when it changed. We may not have liked the change, but this is at least a reason for the change and it would have done less damage to tell us a reason for something we didn't like than try to cover up something we didn't like.
JediArashi
Tue Jun 15, 2004 4:51 pm
#50
My vote goes to the spice downer change. It is the most direct, and most likely to get a real answer in my opinion.
And as Garvin said, with GM's post we are on solid ground as to the future question.
-Arashi
Bloodfin
garvin
Wed Jun 16, 2004 12:10 am
#51
Nerj wrote:
Predicted answer: "Spice effects are working as intended. Recovery from a downer makes sense, your mind and body are left drained from the use and you need to recover from the effects"
That may very well be...but the way I worded the question will accomplish hopefully 2 things...
1) The Devs will once again publically hear that the Smuggler Community isn't happy with the change...
2) Spice users and Non-Spice users who are not familiar with the change will now have specifics on the issue and might back Smugglers on getting the decission reversed (since it will be in their best interests as well).
Before I was educated on the change, I knew didn't know about it...now that I do, I agree it should be changed back if possible...There are probably other's out there just like me...That's why with the questions I submit to TH I try to not only ask a question, but make some time of public statement...
LordOfFatness
Wed Jun 16, 2004 12:19 am
#52
Nerj wrote:
yimaz wrote:"Why was the Spice downer changed requiring the HAM bars to regenerate after the downer is gone? This has indirectly causedspice downersto beincreased. Was this done on purpose and if so why?"
Changed the wording a little, I think this flows better.
Predicted answer: "Spice effects are working as intended. Recovery from a downer makes sense, your mind and body are left drained from the use and you need to recover from the effects"
That sounds about right, but I sure hope you are wrong. If they want your health to regenerate naturally, it should start to regenerate as soon as the downer hits and be fully rehealed when the downer expires.