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Thread: I think they want us all to be Jedis
MsNiL wrote:
from_beyond wrote:
Rangers can RangePardon?
So quit coming in here trying to 'help' us. We don't want your help. We don't want you here typing your selfabsorbed posts and annoying the living fire out of us. You aren't a smuggler. You have no idea what its like to be a smuggler. Go post on the ranger board or the commando board if they'll have you. You are NOT the glowbat weilding savior of all the other professions. You're just some bothersome twit with an over inflated sense of your own importance.
Grow up.
/smirk
Can't make me darlin'. Smuggler forums like Neverneverland. Only our nuetron pixie dust doesn't work, because we're out of happy thoughts.
And you still ain't welcome. Get. Shoo. Vamoose. Don't make me get the hose.
/rude
/blowkiss
Message Edited by dlc3007 on 08-22-2005 08:35 AM
I have a few things to say about your delusion that Jedi are the weakest profession, and haven't received attention.
I liked how you presented the professions and how they don't live up to their roles. The problem is, the reason nearly all of them aren't the best at what they should be is because either a Jedi does it better, or because of Jedi attention there hasn't been any changes to improve them.
I understand that you are trying to distance yourself from the uber Jedi templates, we do that a lot here too. However, you can try to distinguish the varying jedi templates all you want, but the fact is that you are all Jedi and thus are going to be grouped together. It's just gonna happen.
Your very existence is reason enough to blame a lot of the woes of the other professions solely on you...because you shouldn't exist. A jedi alpha class shouldn't exist, or should be so severely limited that whatever you have for skills/powers wouldn't ever need to be changed, or should be a revolving door due to perma-death. A jedi presence in this game is proof of incompetence of LA/SOE.
Regardless of who within Jedi has recieved the attention the fact remains that without:
1.the implementation of profession grinding as the path to jedi
2. the development of different jedi "templates"
3. the initiation then removal of FRS system
4. a redo of the path to jedi
5. the constant development of that same path
6. the constant fixes to an already unworthy profession
7. the redevelopment of the new tutorial to push new players to jedi
and probably about 10 more that I can't think of, much more development time would have been spent on the professions that are/were here from launch that need/ed the attention from the start. Then perhaps we wouldn't be in the situation we are in.
There is warrant to blame jedi, and many of us do. It is not something you are going to change.
We have been positive, andtried not talking down jedi and focusing on our own content...it isNOT a novel concept...we tried it...they got more publishes...we got more broken promises. Don't be so naive as to think you are being original. been there, done that, have the scars to prove it.
Taln2 wrote:
This thread is absolutely shameful. I know a lot of smugglers are pissed (myself included), and have a perfectly good right to be, but this is going too far.
How, exactly?
Enlighten us.
JediArashi wrote:
Your very existence is reason enough to blame a lot of the woes of the other professions solely on you...because you shouldn't exist. A jedi alpha class shouldn't exist, or should be so severely limited that whatever you have for skills/powers wouldn't ever need to be changed, or should be a revolving door due to perma-death. A jedi presence in this game is proof of incompetence of LA/SOE.
I recognize the argument and see it as a lost one. Pandora's box is opened, half of the players are Jedi, and there's no reverse. Pushing this point do not improve the game at all.
If you call your phonecompany for improved connection, dont tell them "Fire half of your customers, they got my speed andthey shouldnt evenexist".
Regardless of who within Jedi has recieved the attention the fact remains that without:
1.the implementation of profession grinding as the path to jedi
2. the development of different jedi "templates"
3. the initiation then removal of FRS system
4. a redo of the path to jedi
5. the constant development of that same path
6. the constant fixes to an already unworthy profession
7. the redevelopment of the new tutorial to push new players to jedi
Fixes have been rare and not adressing the real issues. Aurilia was to get a Jedi, not play one. The FRS was incomplete at launch and everybody who posted the proof have been banned.
Defender is broken good, becouse it was not balanced to fit the CU.
The rest is broken bad, becouse it was not balanced to fit the CU.
Had Jedi been balanced to be compatible with the CU, things would have looked different.
And probably about 10 more that I can't think of, much more development time would have been spent on the professions that are/were here from launch that need/ed the attention from the start. Then perhaps we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. There is warrant to blame jedi, and many of us do. It is not something you are going to change.
The only reason you guys blame the Jedi instead of the Bounty Hunters for getting Smugglers nerfed over and over again or getting improved in every publish post-16, is becouse plenty of you are Bounty Hunters yourself. Also you love to group the numbers together with all five professions, since if you are true and divide them, your argument is lost.
It's just easier to kick the people who are down in the dirt.
Message Edited by MsNiL on 08-22-2005 04:58 PM
MsNiL wrote:
It's just easier to kick the people who are down in the dirt.
Personally, I lump j3d1 and BHs together in their ability to cry and moan. Yes, I know there are BH here who will probably get offended, but the only prof that cries/complains/nerf-cries/b!tches/moans as much as j3d1 are BH.
Now, BH were not designed to be an alpha-class, so they'll never be as detrimental to the game as j3d1 are, but -- and this is a big one -- if you're looking for a profession where the majority of players are exploiting, uber-1337, power-gaming, FOTM, n00b crying kiddies, then BH is a close second to j3d1. Not all the BH and j3d1 are little babies, but most of them are.
hmm... since BH and j3d1 are the two most popular professions AND have the most immature players in them, add in more really stupid crap from the expansion, and then figure out where you think this game is headed.
Too bad. Maybe the pirate mmorpg won't be appealing to all the babies since, with any luck, they'll still be here, whapping each other with glow-bats and lightning cannons.
Yeah..... what a great game.
dlc3007 wrote:
Personally, I lump j3d1 and BHs together in their ability to cry and moan. Yes, I know there are BH here who will probably get offended, but the only prof that cries/complains/nerf-cries/b!tches/moans as much as j3d1 are BH.
Now, BH were not designed to be an alpha-class, so they'll never be as detrimental to the game as j3d1 are, but -- and this is a big one -- if you're looking for a profession where the majority of players are exploiting, uber-1337, power-gaming, FOTM, n00b crying kiddies, then BH is a close second to j3d1. Not all the BH and j3d1 are little babies, but most of them are.
hmm... since BH and j3d1 are the two most popular professions AND have the most immature players in them, add in more really stupid crap from the expansion, and then figure out where you think this game is headed.
Too bad. Maybe the pirate mmorpg won't be appealing to all the babies since, with any luck, they'll still be here, whapping each other with glow-bats and lightning cannons.
Yeah..... what a great game.
However, PvP to Jedi is forced and not optional. Giving Jedi a non-pvp option is a great discussion among the Jedi, opposed strongly by thoose who became Jedi for pvp-power. Theese guys became Jedi only for pvp, only to be better than everybody else, and nobody should infest their power/title with some carebear mumbo jumbo.
We who want to play our Jedi without pvp are called "Carebears" or we attempt to get away from the "Risk that rewarded you with power", but we just want to play our Light Side without being infested by powerhungry morons.
A PvE/Roleplaying Bounty Hunter is something very very rare. The Role of a Bounty Hunter is to slay people for money.
MsNiL wrote:
There are players who go Jedi to roleplay. After all, the true Jedi are meant to upkeep peace and order and assist/help people, sacrificing yourself for good, asking for nothing in return.
You are simply deluding yourself. That's fine if you want to do that, but stopputting flowers around your verbal diarrhea to make it smell better.
In the better part of a year, let me count how many j3d1 I have ever encountered who fits your description: one.
That's all. One. Most of them would hurl illegible insults at me when I didn't duel them. Others were too busy showing off their glow-sticks. What was really funny was watching them put down enough houses to make a small villiage when they saw me approaching on radar. That was always good for laugh -- especially when they started yelling insults at me for slowing down their grinding.
You're clearly mistaking Obi-wan's description of Jedi in Ep. IV with the j3d1 who play this game. Hell, even the jedi in Ep II and III were lazy, corrupt, and stupid.
Now, why don't you go back and live in the happy, idealistic, perfect little fantasy world you've created for yourself, ok? Here's a cookie. Now go to your room.
dlc3007 wrote:
You are simply deluding yourself. That's fine if you want to do that, but stopputting flowers around your verbal diarrhea to make it smell better.
In the better part of a year, let me count how many j3d1 I have ever encountered who fits your description: one.
That's all. One. Most of them would hurl illegible insults at me when I didn't duel them. Others were too busy showing off their glow-sticks. What was really funny was watching them put down enough houses to make a small villiage when they saw me approaching on radar. That was always good for laugh -- especially when they started yelling insults at me for slowing down their grinding.
You're clearly mistaking Obi-wan's description of Jedi in Ep. IV with the j3d1 who play this game. Hell, even the jedi in Ep II and III were lazy, corrupt, and stupid.
Now, why don't you go back and live in the happy, idealistic, perfect little fantasy world you've created for yourself, ok? Here's a cookie. Now go to your room.
Message Edited by MsNiL on 08-22-2005 08:08 PM
Ok, respect for that. I have encountered one of your kind, and we solved the situation after a long roleplaying talk-down. I alsoused to be one myself. I was a MBH/MPistoleer for 7 month and never took a single Jedi mission. I used my Jedi for 2 weeks in the GCW becouse my "friends" on corbantis treated me like crap for not being an active pvp player. I believe that was the most boring thing I have done so far in this game.
from_beyond wrote:
AS a PvE/RP Bounty Hunter, I can say we ain't that rare sweetcheeks. I'm one. Both my 'brothers' are two. They've never hunted a Jedi. And we've NEVER engaged in GCW PvP. We've had the occasional duel when RP warrents it, but its a once, maybe twice a month thing.I've only huntedJedi for RP reasons. Which I can't do now that I can grab Roleplayer jedi missions off the termianls anymore. I've even had and RP jedi ((one of the few out there that deserve the name) actually call me ooc, tell me he was on the terminals, and ASK me to hunt him.
But we ain't an alpha class. No Bounty Hunter is designed from the get go to be 1.5 times stronger than any other profession. Any other combat profession can take down a bounty hunter. And most importantly, bounty hunters are 'mundanes.' And us poor little 'mundanes' have to stick together, now don't we?