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Thread: LAST ditch exploit in pvp

SmugglinZane
Wed Jun 22, 2005 5:46 am
#40






Grendiel wrote:
From what I've heard it's mostly MBH/Smuggler dabblers doing this, so why not move last ditch to Master? Shouldn't make a difference to dedicated Smugglers...

I like that they made last ditch a real last ditch, but people are using it in ways it was not intended... I think moving it to Master would help curb some of this..





From what I've heard, if the Jedi had their way, every non Jedi special would be moved to the master box because they're all just TOO POWERFUL for you all.


Seriously, get over yourself already.


Go screw with your own profession and leave this one alone for once.




"Jedi claims of being "broken" are like saying "But my TV isn't widescreen! It's broken! My TV can't show high-def pictures in 1080i, it can only do 720i! It's broken!" Meanwhile, crafters are saying "We'd really like to have a TV that's larger than 12" and gets more than 4 channels and doesn't constantly lose vertical control", and entertainers are saying "Can we get some color instead of this B&W piece of junk?" And smugglers? We're listening to radio programs of "The Shadow" and "The Abbot and Costello Comedy Hour" and hearing FDR's Fireside Chats. We don't even HAVE a damn TV, much less a broken one or a "broken" one by Jedi standards. I'd LOVE to be as "broken" as they are." - The Legendary Solo4114
Jaguarrr
Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:02 am
#41






SmugglinZane wrote:






Grendiel wrote:
From what I've heard it's mostly MBH/Smuggler dabblers doing this, so why not move last ditch to Master? Shouldn't make a difference to dedicated Smugglers...

I like that they made last ditch a real last ditch, but people are using it in ways it was not intended... I think moving it to Master would help curb some of this..





From what I've heard, if the Jedi had their way, every non Jedi special would be moved to the master box because they're all just TOO POWERFUL for you all.


Seriously, get over yourself already.


Go screw with your own profession and leave this one alone forever.







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Sparkalot
Wed Jun 22, 2005 7:07 am
#42

This reply was also posted in your original thread on the BH forum, just to make sure you get the point:


Not a BH, but I am a proud smuggler. Now I know all those wonderful jedi would love to whine about my 75% of the time I get incapped too skill (aka LD), but guess what whiny babies, devs already said it's working as intended, so shut up and move on and find someone else you'd like to nerf.



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shfire
Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:03 am
#43






Grendiel wrote:




SmugglinZane wrote:






Grendiel wrote:
From what I've heard it's mostly MBH/Smuggler dabblers doing this, so why not move last ditch to Master? Shouldn't make a difference to dedicated Smugglers...

I like that they made last ditch a real last ditch, but people are using it in ways it was not intended... I think moving it to Master would help curb some of this..





From what I've heard, if the Jedi had their way, every non Jedi special would be moved to the master box because they're all just TOO POWERFUL for you all.


Seriously, get over yourself already.


Go screw with your own profession and leave this one alone for once.








Ummmm.. in case you haven't noticed, I play a smuggler.. It was the first profession I ever mastered.. I was merely offering a suggestion that didn't involve nerfing the ability.. It might not be a good one, but I think your cynicism is misplaced.. If anything, I've been a strong advocate for allowing the non-Jedi combatants to be as powerful as Jedi..




Oh please,your a smuggler you should know cynicism = smuggler.



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SmugglinZane
Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:16 am
#44






Grendiel wrote:




SmugglinZane wrote:






Grendiel wrote:
From what I've heard it's mostly MBH/Smuggler dabblers doing this, so why not move last ditch to Master? Shouldn't make a difference to dedicated Smugglers...

I like that they made last ditch a real last ditch, but people are using it in ways it was not intended... I think moving it to Master would help curb some of this..





From what I've heard, if the Jedi had their way, every non Jedi special would be moved to the master box because they're all just TOO POWERFUL for you all.


Seriously, get over yourself already.


Go screw with your own profession and leave this one alone for once.





Ummmm.. in case you haven't noticed, I play a smuggler.. It was the first profession I ever mastered.. I was merely offering a suggestion that didn't involve nerfing the ability.. It might not be a good one, but I think your cynicism is misplaced.. If anything, I've been a strong advocate for allowing the non-Jedi combatants to be as powerful as Jedi..




Let's examine a few things that people have wanted moved to a Master box because of problems with Jedi interaction.


Feign Death. Stopping Shot. Last Ditch.


That's just threee that I have been a part of the discussion for. Whether you're a Smuggler or not, your post makes it seem as you're here as a Jedi. I'm not taking offense to that, I just want to know why ALL other professions need any and every useful special moved to Master when you guys have a 1000+ heal with just one tree.


When that talk is started again, that and the fact that TOO MANY Jedi come here to try and tell us how our specials work, how they really should work, and how the problem with them should be "fixed", then we WILL take the defensive.


You folks may have Defender as a profession, but the ultimate profession defenders are Smugglers.




"Jedi claims of being "broken" are like saying "But my TV isn't widescreen! It's broken! My TV can't show high-def pictures in 1080i, it can only do 720i! It's broken!" Meanwhile, crafters are saying "We'd really like to have a TV that's larger than 12" and gets more than 4 channels and doesn't constantly lose vertical control", and entertainers are saying "Can we get some color instead of this B&W piece of junk?" And smugglers? We're listening to radio programs of "The Shadow" and "The Abbot and Costello Comedy Hour" and hearing FDR's Fireside Chats. We don't even HAVE a damn TV, much less a broken one or a "broken" one by Jedi standards. I'd LOVE to be as "broken" as they are." - The Legendary Solo4114
Grendiel
Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:45 am
#45


shfire wrote:


Oh please, your a smuggler you should know cynicism = smuggler.





That may be, but I'm here on the boards addressing the players, not their in-game characters..






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Saarek
Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:58 am
#46






Grendiel wrote:




shfire wrote:


Oh please, your a smuggler you should know cynicism = smuggler.







That may be, but I'm here on the boards addressing the players, not their in-game characters..




Then you need to realize that many people pick smuggler because its very similar to who they are IRL.


I know for myself as example, the character, and my real life personality match quite well.





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Grendiel
Wed Jun 22, 2005 11:06 am
#47


SmugglinZane wrote:

Let's examine a few things that people have wanted moved to a Master box because of problems with Jedi interaction.

Feign Death. Stopping Shot. Last Ditch.

That's just threee that I have been a part of the discussion for. Whether you're a Smuggler or not, your post makes it seem as you're here as a Jedi. I'm not taking offense to that, I just want to know why ALL other professions need any and every useful special moved to Master when you guys have a 1000+ heal with just one tree.

When that talk is started again, that and the fact that TOO MANY Jedi come here to try and tell us how our specials work, how they really should work, and how the problem with them should be "fixed", then we WILL take the defensive.

You folks may have Defender as a profession, but the ultimate profession defenders are Smugglers.






Fair enough.. There are many people calling for last ditch to be nerfed.. I do not want to see that happen, which is why I suggested moving it to master instead.. I didn't think it would degrade us as smugglers.. Of course you should speak out against any suggestion you think is wrong, but perhaps you could elaborate a little more on why you believe so..

Yeah I have a Jedi character as well, and believe or not I play both my characters fairly equally.. My first character is a smuggler and I could not see him as anything else.. Lately people have acted as though I'm unwelcome here merely because I have a Jedi character.. It's a little upsetting when fellow smugglers assume me to be one of those "1337 d00d" types who only want an "I Win" button..






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SwenLaransa
Wed Jun 22, 2005 11:08 am
#48



Grendiel wrote:

shfire wrote:


Oh please, your a smuggler you should know cynicism = smuggler.





That may be, but I'm here on the boards addressing the players, not their in-game characters..



Oh please, you're a smuggler you should know cynicism = smuggler players.




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HaughtyElf
Wed Jun 22, 2005 11:10 am
#49

This has got to be the saddest excuse for a thread I have read todate. And its not because of the my fellow smugglers taking up the defensive.


I am so sick and tired of whiners in what ever forums complaining about special that someone is using via an interesting tactic.


Use your brain for once, and learn some TACTICS!


I'll repeat that for the cheap seats


LEARN SOME TACTICS FOR ONCE!









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Grendiel
Wed Jun 22, 2005 11:11 am
#50


Saarek wrote:


Grendiel wrote:

shfire wrote:


Oh please, your a smuggler you should know cynicism = smuggler.





That may be, but I'm here on the boards addressing the players, not their in-game characters..


Then you need to realize that many people pick smuggler because its very similar to who they are IRL.
I know for myself as example, the character, and my real life personality match quite well.





I don't think that's the case for everyone though.. As a roleplayer, I'd like to play roles that are different from my real life personality.. Besides, smugglers are for the most part, criminals.. I don't think you are one... are you? heh..






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Grendiel
Wed Jun 22, 2005 11:15 am
#51


SwenLaransa wrote:


Grendiel wrote:

shfire wrote:


Oh please, your a smuggler you should know cynicism = smuggler.





That may be, but I'm here on the boards addressing the players, not their in-game characters..



Oh please, you're a smuggler you should know cynicism = smuggler players.




That may be the case for many smuggler players, but I don't believe in stereotypes.. I'm not really a cynic, does that disqualify me from playing my smuggler character??






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AngusMacGregor
Wed Jun 22, 2005 11:18 am
#52






Grendiel wrote:




SwenLaransa wrote:





Grendiel wrote:




shfire wrote:


Oh please, your a smuggler you should know cynicism = smuggler.







That may be, but I'm here on the boards addressing the players, not their in-game characters..





Oh please, you're a smuggler you should know cynicism = smuggler players.






That may be the case for many smuggler players, but I don't believe in stereotypes.. I'm not really a cynic, does that disqualify me from playing my smuggler character??




Yes, it does. Sorry. Make sure to hand in your tools, beer, and pie before you leave.




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