Smuggler Archive
Thread: I saw last night...
Shin_Shodei
Wed Jul 14, 2004 2:24 pm
#40
/emote by sith rules takes the title of Smuggler Correspondent for himself!
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yimaz
Wed Jul 14, 2004 2:25 pm
#41
I agree that no slice is a bad slices Ive correct a few clients on this, you are right in that people need to change there veiw ofa low slice, because it is still an improvment. That for me it is not why I price based on %. I do it because I feel it is a fair way to base my serviceand if people dont agree, thats cool. It's what Im comfortable with and that is what matters. 10k for a 13% slice, to me is 2 high. but 10k for a 30% or above slice is more then fair.
RylanStorm
Wed Jul 14, 2004 2:29 pm
#42
A number of us on Eclipse set our prices to 5k per slice no matter what it was. You say it's right to charge on a percentage basis as if we have control over the situation. We don't. My time is worth more then 100 cr per percent.
And setting my prices as I did, when all around me were charging pittance, I still haven't lost any business. I get a lot of repeat custom because I get on well with my customers and I get a lot of new business despite my price because smugglers are not easily found. It's not like when I tell people "5k" they can go and ask the smuggler next to me. As much as my time is worth the customers time is also worth cash and they'll happily pay me then wait 20 minutes till another smuggler comes along when they too could be running missions for more cash.
But now I'm beginning to think that I should charge more for my slicing because slicing doesn't bring me in as much cash as I could hope for. There are two ways of compensating for this : slice more items or charge more per slice.
Whilst I accept that charging more per slice will turn some away, they aren't really people I'll miss and I certainly don't want to up my already intensive slicing business in terms of quantity.
But as more and more of us have set our prices where they are the better it's become for us. We all get along better and are forming a better community on the server. There are smugglers who wont be part of that pricing scheme, which in many ways has become a secondary guild, and as much as they are allowed to charge what they will, I think they are missing out on the bigger picture.
MaxSteele
Wed Jul 14, 2004 11:32 pm
#43
JTGAlpha wrote:
<huge rant snipped>
Wow.... That was just pure craziness.
When you make a comment about someone charging a lower price and making customers 'grumble' at your prices, that exactly points to wanting everyone to raise their prices so you don't get grumbling customers.
If I interpreted your meaning as incorrect, then I'll be the first to apologize.
I also won't flame back, because you said you weren't doing well when you typed it. That happens.
But one thing I will NEVER apologize for or change is the "play how you play and I'll play how I play". Because that right there is the absolute truth. I couldn't care less what you do as a smuggler. Charge 50k a slice.
Also,I don't like the fact that people charge per % either. No, it's not our fault. There's nothing that can be done. It perpetuates the feeling of "bad slice". And as you told me to do, if you read my other threads, you would see where I have said time and again "there is no such thing as a bad slice".
But ya know what? I've given up on it. Why? Because they can play how they want to play, and I'll play how I play. If they want to charge per percentage, or give away free slices for numbers under 20%. Let them. If a customer comes to me and says: "So and so would have given that 19% damage slice to me for free.", then I'll tell them to go to him next time, and give me my credits.
I've come to the conclusion that no matter how you, me or anyone feels the smuggler SHOULD be played, people will play it how they want. And it's futile to try and change it.
I still love you, even though I'm still putting out the flames from that last post. 
Eavik
Thu Jul 15, 2004 12:08 am
#44
And just out of curiousity - what exactly are smuggler's "on strike" for? Like I said, Im just getting started in the smuggler profession, and have only been reading the Smuggler board for a few days now. Is there a thread somewhere explaining this? Is this a server-wide issue, or just specific to Gorath for some reason?
VooDoo27
Thu Jul 15, 2004 12:58 am
#45
Greevo wrote:
I charge $450/% ... but every time I see the average doc buff prices go up $1000 ... I have been raising $50/%
Stop charging based on percentage!!! You have no control over the slice outcome so why should your time be worth more/less. I find this to be one of the silliest ideas to come out of the Smuggler community.
Atreyus
Thu Jul 15, 2004 3:04 am
#46
ok here goes.... get ready for it.... Who cares what aggravates you? Who cares what bothers you? If a smuggler is charging 3K per slice or giving them all away for free; if a smuggler is charging whatever price for a slice its HIS choice because he is paying for his account. If he alone ruins the entire economy all by his lonesome for charging 1K per slice, what the hell are you going to do about it but frown? Get over it. there is nothing you can do. You can take that smuggler under your wing and council him, teach him what YOU think should be the value of his time and when you get done with your training and he goes right out and knocks his price down to 500credits per slice, what are you going to do besides pout and come here and vent? Why get aggravated? Its stupid to be concerned with what someone else does with their account. If a person is giving slices away free everyday, then he is telling you what his time is worth. Please show me how you will stop him. If you slice for 10K per slice, then your time is worth 10K per slice. Same if you charge 100K per slice. But letting something someone else does with their account aggravate or bother you is pointless in my opinion. I for one charge 4K per slice, i have been doing so for as long as i have had my smuggler <almost a year>, are you honestly going to tell me this aggravates you? I charge this amount, not because i don't know the value of a slice, but because i keep business flowing faster than a doctor just about. i don't spend hours and hours in-game like i used to, so when i am here, i want to make my money fast and get out of there, and also because its my free will to do what i want with MY character. If I, or any other smuggler,force the value of slices down to 4K, (not my intention at all)how willyou fix it? i just want you to see that there is nothing you can do to stop me or anyone else. So why let something you can't control bother you. Prime example: Someone said on this thread that they don't give away free slices for anything under 19% because its like admitting that you have done something wrong, when you have zero control over the outcome of slices. Just like you can't control the outcome of slices, youhave even lesscontrol other people, no matter how you b1tch or complain here. even if you talk some new master smuggler into charging 15K per slice when he was charging 2K, there are gonna betwo more to pop up in his place that will charge 2K. I'm not saying that you have to like it, it may temporarily put a wrench in your business while this guy is advertising, but what can you do? i was in coronet spaceport slicing, when this master smuggler came in, saw me, and started advertising, "First 10 slices for free!!" Do you know what i did? I laughed, told my wife that it looks like i'm done today, and went back to Talus. i went back to coronet about 3 hours later and started slicing again at my normal prices. What was i going to do? find the guy at home, threaten him to not to offer free slices because his time is worth more than that? He WANTED me to get the hell outta there and i did. no sweat. Its called competition. I didn't feel like competing and I never do. Did i like it?NO. (was still funny though). Could i do something about it? also no.I could have went to naboo and set up shop, but going home and doing something else worked just fine. One thing i didn't do was start a thread complaining about it. you dont have to like or agree with what someone else does, but thats about all you can do, disagree with it. you might be able to change the DEVs mind about adding this or taking away that, but someone who pays their monthly fee to do whatever the hell they want are going to continue doing just that. Please lets drop this discussion and get on to the more important things like our revamp 
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Atreyus
Thu Jul 15, 2004 3:12 am
#47
there are many many moreissues, much biggerissues you all can be more aggravated and bothered about as far as this game is concerned. What private people charge for slices is such a small thing to be concerned about right now. direct you energies and typing fingers to fixing those things. goodness knows there are many. I have alot of two-cents to add whether people ask me or not hehe.also for my above statement......flame me away!!!!!!! i absolutely love it and couldn't care less.
yimaz
Thu Jul 15, 2004 6:06 am
#48
OMG, Im so sick of hearing about this. Everyone charge what you want, no one person will ruin the games economy. If you want to charge a lot and get payed more power to you. If you want to charge a little and that works for you then as well have at it. CHARGE WHAT YOU WANT. Can we move on now.
Eavik
Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:06 am
#49
I could care less what other people charge for their slices - it has no real effect on me. I plan to charge around 10k per slice or higher...the more smugglers that charge less than that are actually doing me a favor, because like I said - I don't want to run around slicing stuff for every random dude that talks to me. If I hear a "Im not paying that, I know a guy that can slice for much cheaper than that" - then I know my prices are set right.
I still don't understand why some smugglers give their services away for free...does any other profession do this? Have you ever seen a Weaponsmith walk up to a random guy in a Spaceport and say, "Bah - the acklay bone I looted for this power hammer wasn't too great - take this one for free." Why charge less for a permanent slice then what somebody can go buy a factory crate of temporary powerups for?
I dont care if somebody is undercutting the market to try and get more business their way - it can actually be a smart business move...what I don't understand is why people feel the need to undercut themselves. But like I said - it doesn't really offend me or bother me...I'm not the one that's getting ripped off.
JamesHighwest
Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:42 am
#50
I keep things simple. 4k for fellow Imperials, 5k or more for everyone else.
xTekx
Thu Jul 15, 2004 12:25 pm
#51
Wow. I can't believe people are getting upset over the prices of Slicing. You know what i charge on Bloodfin? Which happens to have the most screwed up economy out of allt he servers. I charge 3k per slice. No $$$/%. No 5k, no 10k, no 15k. Just 3k per slice. And why? because that's what i want to charge.
Everyone who's searched me(i've never ever spammed) out and asked for a slice has never complained to me about the price they pay or the type of slice they get. So 3k is the price i charge.If everyone thinks that's too cheap then so what. Thats what I want to charge. Im not a millionare on this game cause i'm not out to rip people off. So if I happen to get more people coming to me for slices cause i charge less then so be it. That's the competition of business. Deal with it.
yimaz
Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:02 pm
#52
Ive beenwhere you are now,(stoped smoking 1yr ago) hang in there you will feel worlds better after you quit. Thing that sucks is after the burning need to have a smoke is gone, you will still want one, it will just be easy to say no. I feel for ya bro.......
JTGAlpha wrote:
Okay, I'm gonna try that again from the top. I was pissed. I'm still pissed. I'll try not to rant, but that'll be hard because I haven't had a cigarette all day.