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Iawo wrote:

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coldreboot wrote:

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SmugglinZane wrote:

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Iawo wrote:

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Turd_Ferguson523 wrote:
C. Think there should be a separate vendor in the 'back alley areas' that only we are able to access.

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I agree, and that would be the only way they'll ever get me to agree with A.

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This was all discussed before when this poll was first started. We were asked to vote on the choices presented. While many, many people had ideas and options for an alternative to the cut and dry A and B, those 2 were the only ones we were presented with.

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Zane what's with the jumping on this guy's posts all the time? I haven't see him post in anything but a calm manner and nothing personally attacking you in any way.You, howeverschizo-post all over him (and other's I've noticed) under the impression your some kind of infallable god. Either leave him alone or admit you want to sleep with him. Just stop hijacking every thread to satisify your petty needs. Act your age please (assuming your not 12).

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He isn't worth the time. I already got temp forumban for arguing with him, so you know he's either the one that runs off and reports people that don't agree with him or he has "friends" that do it for him.

Message Edited by Iawo on 10-05-2005 07:16 AM

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I hope now you see why Coldreboot. I logged on one day to see him blasting a couple people for no reason what so ever. They had differing opinions so he was flaming.I called him out for it. I guess you don't see the times he goes after me since a lot of those threads are deleted.

Now this part is for you Iawo:

1. I already told you I don't report people. You basicly have to be a degenerate using racial slurs on the forums for me to report you. I don't have anyone else report anyone either. I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT IT. If you got forum banned, you probably deserved it. I saw what you were posting before I took you on, like I said, I took you on because of that. You might want to turn that finger back at yourself.

2. This post of mine quoted right here had nothing inflamatory in it. This thread is long and a lot of the discussion about this poll is buried deep in the forums. I simply pointed out out what was said already in the past so you, and everyone else understood where this whole thing was coming from. Once again, point that finger back around because you're the one talking crap. I already backed off and tried to keep posts in response to you reasonable. If you want to continue this, I'm game, but you're the one calling for it... AGAIN. So don't go around saying I'm starting crap.

For everyone else:

OK folks, now to the issue that brought this up. I was one of many people who wanted an option C. I even asked why the hell we couldn't have an option C. Many, many people made very long and very constructive posts about ideas for good option Cs. A and B are what we have to work with. That's all I'm pointing out. That's all I'm trying to say. It's only the message, if you want to go after the people responsible for it, try going after the devs. They're the ones who aren't offering up option C.

Message Edited by SmugglinZane on 10-05-2005 08:32 PM

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SmugglinZane wrote:

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Iawo wrote:

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coldreboot wrote:

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SmugglinZane wrote:

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Iawo wrote:

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Turd_Ferguson523 wrote:
C. Think there should be a separate vendor in the 'back alley areas' that only we are able to access.

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I agree, and that would be the only way they'll ever get me to agree with A.

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This was all discussed before when this poll was first started. We were asked to vote on the choices presented. While many, many people had ideas and options for an alternative to the cut and dry A and B, those 2 were the only ones we were presented with.

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Zane what's with the jumping on this guy's posts all the time? I haven't see him post in anything but a calm manner and nothing personally attacking you in any way.You, howeverschizo-post all over him (and other's I've noticed) under the impression your some kind of infallable god. Either leave him alone or admit you want to sleep with him. Just stop hijacking every thread to satisify your petty needs. Act your age please (assuming your not 12).

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He isn't worth the time. I already got temp forumban for arguing with him, so you know he's either the one that runs off and reports people that don't agree with him or he has "friends" that do it for him.

Message Edited by Iawo on 10-05-2005 07:16 AM

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I hope now you see why Coldreboot. I logged on one day to see him blasting a couple people for no reason what so ever. They had differing opinions so he was flaming.I called him out for it. I guess you don't see the times he goes after me since a lot of those threads are deleted.

Now this part is for you Iawo:

1. I already told you I don't report people. You basicly have to be a degenerate using racial slurs on the forums for me to report you. I don't have anyone else report anyone either. I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT IT. If you got forum banned, you probably deserved it. I saw what you were posting before I took you on, like I said, I took you on because of that. You might want to turn that finger back at yourself.

2. This post of mine quoted right here had nothing inflamatory in it. This thread is long and a lot of the discussion about this poll is buried deep in the forums. I simply pointed out out what was said already in the past so you, and everyone else understood where this whole thing was coming from. Once again, point that finger back around because you're the one talking crap. I already backed off and tried to keep posts in response to you reasonable. If you want to continue this, I'm game, but you're the one calling for it... AGAIN. So don't go around saying I'm starting crap.

For everyone else:

OK folks, now to the issue that brought this up. I was one of many people who wanted an option C. I even asked why the hell we couldn't have an option C. Many, many people made very long and very constructive posts about ideas for good option Cs. A and B are what we have to work with. That's all I'm pointing out. That's all I'm trying to say. It's only the message, if you want to go after the people responsible for it, try going after the devs. They're the ones who aren't offering up option C.

Message Edited by SmugglinZane on 10-05-2005 08:32 PM

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Zane, it's commendable that yourun to the aid of others, I have done it myself. But at this point it may be better to just ignore someone who is clearly upsetting you so much. You might be a happier person for it. Everyone here is more than capable of fighting their own battles I'm sure, if the need calls for it.

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coldreboot wrote:

Zane, it's commendable that yourun to the aid of others, I have done it myself. But at this point it may be better to just ignore someone who is clearly upsetting you so much. You might be a happier person for it. Everyone here is more than capable of fighting their own battles I'm sure, if the need calls for it.

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Naa, he doesn't get me upset. I am a happy person.

I actually find it all really funny.

Now in the interest of trying to keep things civil, I'll leave my comments at that.

Hmm.. I normally wouldsay B because of spice selling... then again, I expect we'll be rewarded so little spice from the missons that we will want to keep it for ourselfs and not sell it at all. So make it A for me too.

On the sliced weapons not on vendors argument, I just REALLY think that pre-slicing shouldn't happen, PERIOD. It should be up to the CUSTOMER to decide how to slice it. I always HATE seeing pre-sliced weps on vendors, because if I want a specific type of slice, I'm SOL aren't I?

And on spices on vendors, who really makes a lot of money from that? It's just like when they converted the AUK's and WUK's, people were complaining about not being able to sell slicing stuff.

Option B....allow vendors to sell smuggler goods. I won't bother looking for option 'C',

As it is, we can't even get most of our own goods. I also feel players should be able to see their own used sliced goods easily. I don't believe the RP part of the profession should make selling more difficult for other smugglers and players. I would not mind if master smuggler is allowed a vendor to be used, strictly for anything smuggler related.Actually, it is a darn good idea. I will be more than happy to 'fence' sliced goods and spice for guildies and business associates using a smuggler vendor and not have to spam at starports.

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Going to have to say.....B. I, like a few other minority people on this post think that it might just get a bit annoying to get tell and tell saying "Hey Mr. Smuggler, well you slice this for me". I really don't think the Fun of enjoying actually being a smuggler would last after a week or so.

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Option for smuggler vendor...

Underworld 3 skill:
Smugglers get a mobile blackmarket vendor that spawns within the boundaries of a player city (at random) for a length of 1 day, each day. The smuggler can access the vendor (add/remove inventory) at all times, from where ever they are, but at Underworld 3 only can know what planet it is on. If a smuggler and client can't meet up in person, the Smuggler can tell the client what planet their vendor is on, and the client can search all of the player cities for it to purchase or offer items (for slicing purposes).

Master Smuggler skill:
Master Smugglers can get a Waypoint within 3000m of their vendor... this vastly reduces the search.

Smugglers get to name their vendor what ever they like, and also choose race, basic appearance and even "personality" (ala droids).

Limitations/hinderances on Black Market Vendors...

Limit 30 items total at Underworld 3, 40 items total at Underworld 4 and 50 items at Master... incoming and outgoing summed... this should keep the market vital and keep all smugglers in demand (not just elites). This would help to add some traffic to player cities (at least in a small way), and perhaps re-vitalize some of the dead cities...

Looking for a specific black market vendor has a level of difficulty this way, but they are abundant enough that if you need spice, it can be found pretty easily.


Make Black-market vendors smart and cautious... the first time you approach a smugglers black-market vendor, he doesn't trust you... you must complete a random mission for him to gain his confidence... Once you've done a mission for him, the BMV will always remember you. The mission should be CL based and require that the customer solos it... there would need to be some rules defined for the different types of BMV missions to assure that the Player solo's it (player specific TEF, group/heal detection, etc).

If an authority presence is within a defined distance (say 200m) of the BMV, he will just shake the customer off, because he's not going to get arrested. This would require a change to authority spawns (stormtrooper deployments, RSF spawns, Rebel spawns, etc)... they cannot be static unless mission created. When the Lambda drops off a deployment, the deployment should hang out for no longer than 20 minutes, then walk 50m in a random direction... Also the BMV would be somewhat mobile... randomly moving about the player city (casually of course).

EDIT:

A couple other ideas... Since there will be times when more than one BMV will be in the same player city (if truely random, and especially during a post-revamp FOTM) the BMVs should assume the faction affiliations of the Smuggler... IE, if a smuggler is Reb w/ full Jabba faction the BMV is in the same city as another whose Smuggler is Reb w/ full Valarian or Imp w/ full Jabba (etc... any opposing), the BMVs will have aggression towards each other.

This could, via some mechanics, result in agressive banter when within a certain distance of each other, and occasionally even result in a brawl. The brawl mechanics would be simple... they both go into a hate-mode and won't talk to any player until one wins a short battle. The victor would walk off to the other side of the city, and the loser would be incapped for 10 minutes, and unable to commence business until the timer is up. This would be awesome!


Faction could also be worked mildly into the BMV/Player relationship... perhaps this would give some advantage to Smugglers keeping positive Faction on both sides of the GCW, as well as some long-term content for a hopeful underworld factional system that means something (beyond aggro). The key would be that Players can never attack a BMV... griefing would be rampant.

EDIT2:
I got to thinking, and I don't think that Smugglers should be able to work with BMV inventory from anywhere... maybe have it as a feature of the smuggler mission terminals that will hopefully find their way in-game with the revamp... or "broker" NPCs as an alternative.

Message Edited by CorbaerTek on 10-09-2005 05:55 PM

Quoted for Emphasis, methinks...

Along the same lines as Quoted for Agreement... QFA

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CorbaerTek wrote:
Quoted for Emphasis, methinks...

Along the same lines as Quoted for Agreement... QFA

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A, lest we have a Family Guy style black market community... y'know, when he is im Cuba and its like a shopping mall.. hehe