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Thread: HoC SWG Chat log
The game is not fun, even for Jedi. SWG's is a grind and nothing more, your missions are weak and bugged, there is no GCW and most professions have no real place in the game.
You have no real end game, you have no reason for anyone to be anything other then a Jedi or a Bounty Hunter. This is Star Wars galaxies and people want to be Smugglers, Rangers, Squad Leaders, people want to go to war as a Rebel or Imperial and have it mean something. Something as simple as letting a squad leader call down air strikes or letting him have 3 NPC's at master would add so much to a profession that is pointless, Smugglers smuggling, Rangers linking two groups of 8 out in the wild so guilds can actually go out together again. It's really not hard to come up with this stuff. Your killing this game not us.
yimaz wrote:
The game is not fun, even for Jedi. SWG's is a grind and nothing more, your missions are weak and bugged, there is no GCW and most professions have no real place in the game.
You have no real end game, you have no reason for anyone to be anything other then a Jedi or a Bounty Hunter. This is Star Wars galaxies and people want to be Smugglers, Rangers, Squad Leaders, people want to go to war as a Rebel or Imperial and have it mean something. Something as simple as letting a squad leader call down air strikes or letting him have 3 NPC's at master would add so much to a profession that is pointless, Smugglers smuggling, Rangers linking two groups of 8 out in the wild so guilds can actually go out together again. It's really not hard to come up with this stuff. Your killing this game not us.
Ternque01 wrote:
yimaz wrote:
The game is not fun, even for Jedi. SWG's is a grind and nothing more, your missions are weak and bugged, there is no GCW and most professions have no real place in the game.
You have no real end game, you have no reason for anyone to be anything other then a Jedi or a Bounty Hunter. This is Star Wars galaxies and people want to be Smugglers, Rangers, Squad Leaders, people want to go to war as a Rebel or Imperial and have it mean something. Something as simple as letting a squad leader call down air strikes or letting him have 3 NPC's at master would add so much to a profession that is pointless, Smugglers smuggling, Rangers linking two groups of 8 out in the wild so guilds can actually go out together again. It's really not hard to come up with this stuff. Your killing this game not us.
Q effin E!
Erynder wrote:
Tiggs, you areforced to lie to us by the dev team. We, as customers, are the most unlucky group of paying customers. But we are so big fans of Star Wars universe, we are suckers. We will accept and go on logging, just to see the Stormtroopers marching around.
I am not scared to be banned, so I will honestly tell you what I think about SOE. SOE has decided to make Jedi rare, strong and very dangerous. Which was the right thing to do. Saber TEF, 4444 Guardians, permadeath...being a Jedi was the ultimate goal of 80% players. But, it was scary, too.
Then, SOE has realized WOW and EQ2 were too strong contentwise. Which is true. So, they turned their route from keeping Jedi rare to making Jedi the money-cow. Because neither wow nor eq2 can compete with the Jedi love inside me. I am playing all of the games above, swg, wow and eq2. But nothing feels like igniting my saber.
So you opened the gates of hell, village. It was not enough. You released ROTW, a BH free planet. You removed xp loss. You removed group visibility. You ( Not personally you, but SOE as a company ) wanted EVERYONE to be a Jedi. But came on the boards saying '' Jedi population is high, we don't like it ''. This is a lie. Because even when someone gets bored of their Jedi, they sell it on eBay, and you still get your 15 bucks. Jedi = Continous subscription.
You wanna know your current game ? One million Jedi running around aimlessly ( because there is no FRS ), a pointless GCW ( Because the base I destroyed can be placed 2 miliseconds later ), disgusted professions hating Jedi and blaming them for everything happened. ( Altough as a Jedi I have been downgraded to a regular profession from a 4444 Jedi Guardian ).
Currently, some profesisons can use skills that they have dropped. Jedi can have Lightsabers with 2346 pearls in them. They can bug their Forcerun and run faster without the damage mitigation of FR2 and FR3. A pistoleer can use stopping shot 2 every 2 seconds. So many exploits...
Your game is so buggy and exploitable, I quit playing, because I don't want to exploit. I am tired of seeing exploiters. I PMed you a few of them, you answered me, I told you the steps and ASKED you to punish the exploiters. You did nothing.
What could have been done ? You could have kept Jedi rare, and you could have given regular profesisons elite upgrades. Like another 250 points. So they can be advanced Fencers, TKMs, Riflemen. The grind should take as long as a Jedi. So, everyone shouldn't be Jedi, but still you could have Advanced professions who could fight Jedi toe to toe.
You could have made cities Strongholds. You could have let bases only be built inside cities. So current lag and pointless GCW wouldn't be here.
You could have improved NPC AI. I want SBDs to use concussion shot on healers, stasis on me. Your thought of MOB POWER is a SBD shooting for 1500 damage. Is that all SOE learnt from all their gaming past ? MOB POWER is not the ability to one hit kill players. MOB POWER is the ability to disable players so they take the advantage of having high HAMs.
But you chose to make Jedi money-cow. I wish I could have given you the market values of making Jedi money-cow, and making the changes I have suggested. What I know is, many friends who have left this game would still be here, because they agree with me.
And to all people mourning about Mustafar. They chose Mustafar because it was in the movies. Simple as that. SOE is so focused on direct '' Gaining new subscriptions '', they completely and utterly ignore their current customers. Maybe every marketing book I have read is wrong and SOE is right. because every marketing book tells us Loyal Customers are about 4-5X more valuable and cheaper to keep than gaining new ones.
The above ''You'' phrases is not you, Tiggs. It is SOE. Maybe you agree with me. Maybe Devs agree with me. But I know who doesn't. SOE's Executive Director who makes the desicions in his Armani suit, probably someone who never played an online game in his life. This is why wow has 3.5 million subscribers and swg has ( probably ) less than 300k. And please let me tell you, wow's graphics SUCK, and wow does not have player cities. But there is a guy up there in Blizzard, who has played online games, and knows what his customers need.
I wonder how hard can it be to pay money to someone intelligent, and likes to play games.
Here, a simple idea :Make Emperor's retreat an ImperialSTRONGHOLD which can be raided by at least 100 rebels. Place NPCs, AT-STs, AT-ATs everywhere. Add a system message when attacked so that every Imperial knows when it's attacked.As soon as you do this, people will stop complaining about GCW, and Rebels will raid and Imperials will defend there. Then spread this all over the Galaxy.
Wanna bet ?
All you need to do is to hire an intelligent player who has vision, dedication and creativity. Then all your problems can be solved. You really didn't have to sell Jedi. You have Star Wars to sell.
LOL best Idea ever!
I love star wars. I love star wars galaxies. I spend more time on the forums than I do in the game. I have red EVERY SINGLE dev post in the past 2 years. I have been playing since day 1. I am taking software classes. I love games and what you can do with MMORPGS.
There are HUNDEREDS of people just like me. Most more qualified i'm sure. Dont hire someone who can program. Dont hire someone with any experience in anything other than gameING. Hire a whole God damn team of them.
Oh wait...THATS WHAT THE FORUMS ARE FOR!!!!!
rexan wrote:
Tiggs wrote:
Landlubber wrote:
Tiggs wrote:
Regarding the Smuggler upgrade it will come.
Whoa... am I the only one who's had a serious deja vu feeling right now?
The point is, we heard it all before, but when are you (meaning SOE, not you personally Tiggs) going to deliver? That's the problem, you see: we've had so many broken promises that there's hardly anyone around that will take the above statement seriously. At least I know that I'll believe in it when I see it, not one second sooner.
And anyway, what happened to JFreeman's "We're going to stop promising a Smuggler Revamp we never seem to get around to deliver"?? Maybe you should heed that advice, Tiggs. Because making promises like this only opens you up to flames, when yet again your Dev team won't come through.
I try not to make promises I can't keep =)
Woah. Ok, now you have my interest. So I'm assuming you have some inside information that will mean good news for smugglers.
Dont assume. We all know what that does.
EEMAN wrote:
JustAClown wrote:
Omicron2 wrote:
I just want them to change grenade xp (combat xp) to heavy weapons xp..to stop the nade chucking exploiters...and then change the FS combat xp trade in back to 1:3 ...instead of the insanely unfair 1:30. I hate it when they seem to take the easy way out...
QFE.
Even with all the bugs in the various classes I play, the thing that gets me upset the most is this.
This really, really, REALLY needs to be fixed.
Make the devs take 1 hour to do a proper fix instead of cheating by changing 1 line of code and thinking the problem is solved. All they have succeded in doing us upsetting the legitimate players by punishing us with this nerf.
How about a response from a RED name for this????
excuse me.. this is still the smuggling forums right? Since when do we give a rats butt about FS trade-in?I'd rather msterbate w/ a cheese grater than pick up a profession that has single handedly called for more nerfs against my smuggler than any single other profession in the game. Imagine me, a smuggler, standing around hoping to one day smuggle goods, hoping when the day comes my last ditch will allow me to escape and evade capture all of a sudden finding myself nerfed because some BH v Jedi war has made me colateral damage. Not once, not twice, but over and over till I actually lost count.
Ihareo wrote:And I quote:JFreeman wrote:I can say that we can't really give any specifics about our plans, other than we plan to stop promising a smuggler revamp that we never seem to get around to delivering.It's very unlikely we'd ever do a full profession revamp for smugglers anyway.
Your point?
Nowhere in that statement are the words "We're nt going to do a smuggler revamp".
I do, however see him saying "We're going to stop promising..."
World of difference there my friend.
Oh come on Ihareo I know you're smarter than that. Youve been around long enough to realize a putoff when you see one. You dont believe that side-step when the government pulls it, you dont believe it when your utility company pulls it. What makes this greedy corporation any different?
Orange-Lazarus wrote:
maybe hes got parkinson or some other mental health problem ?
so your saying Obi-Wan went to Mustofar to Shake things up???
EEMAN wrote:
Orange-Lazarus wrote:
maybe hes got parkinson or some other mental health problem ?
so your saying Obi-Wan went to Mustofar to Shake things up???
hahahaha
yimaz wrote:The game is not fun, even for Jedi. SWG's is a grind and nothing more, your missions are weak and bugged, there is no GCW and most professions have no real place in the game.
You have no real end game, you have no reason for anyone to be anything other then a Jedi or a Bounty Hunter. This is Star Wars galaxies and people want to be Smugglers, Rangers, Squad Leaders, people want to go to war as a Rebel or Imperial and have it mean something. Something as simple as letting a squad leader call down air strikes or letting him have 3 NPC's at master would add so much to a profession that is pointless, Smugglers smuggling, Rangers linking two groups of 8 out in the wild so guilds can actually go out together again. It's really not hard to come up with this stuff. Your killing this game not us.
You're saying this because you don't roleplay the game, but take it as an arcade game. I agree that there are many things in this game that are unbalanced and tons of bugs that need fixes, but the game is funny for me because I roleplay my two chars.
EEMAN wrote:
Ihareo wrote:
And I quote:
JFreeman wrote:
I can say that we can't really give any specifics about our plans, other than we plan to stop promising a smuggler revamp that we never seem to get around to delivering.
It's very unlikely we'd ever do a full profession revamp for smugglers anyway.
Your point?
Nowhere in that statement are the words "We're nt going to do a smuggler revamp".
I do, however see him saying "We're going to stop promising..."
World of difference there my friend.
Oh come on Ihareo I know you're smarter than that. Youve been around long enough to realize a putoff when you see one. You dont believe that side-step when the government pulls it, you dont believe it when your utility company pulls it. What makes this greedy corporation any different?
THankyou for that Eeman.
Because if it were a greedy corporate thing, he would have promised another date and given some tidbit to get people all exited. But instead of pulling the billsh1t buisnessman smile-and-a-handshake, he's saying they're not going to promise anything anymore.
What means to me, is that it may happen, it may not. Either way, don't get your hopes up and keep your feet on the ground.
Whatever it means, he's still not saying "It won't happen". ANd that's what people keep (mis)quoting. I saw a few days ago where somone quoted his post, but actually changed the words from "stop promising" to "NOT NOT NOT going to happen" then went off on a self ritieous tirade about being stepped on by the DEVs.
Maybe it's going to happen, and maybe it's not. Interpret his words how you will, but please stop misquoting the man. He has braved Tiggs wrath to bring us this information, lets give him the credit and respect to not twist it, please? *pleading look in my eye*
No he's saying it because its true. It doesn't matter if you're a roleplayer or a powergamer, his point is that there is no support for most of the professions. How can you play a smuggler with nothing to smuggle? How can you play a squadleader without a squad? Yeah sure, you can roleplay it if you put in a lot of effort to do so, but that only proves his point. We have to create the content, which should have been provided already by the game, in order to have fun. Why should we have to do all the work that we pay them to do? Therefor, I agree with the love-muppet there. They are killing this game, despite our best efforts to perform futile CPR.
TsothaLanti wrote:
yimaz wrote:
The game is not fun, even for Jedi. SWG's is a grind and nothing more, your missions are weak and bugged, there is no GCW and most professions have no real place in the game.
You have no real end game, you have no reason for anyone to be anything other then a Jedi or a Bounty Hunter. This is Star Wars galaxies and people want to be Smugglers, Rangers, Squad Leaders, people want to go to war as a Rebel or Imperial and have it mean something. Something as simple as letting a squad leader call down air strikes or letting him have 3 NPC's at master would add so much to a profession that is pointless, Smugglers smuggling, Rangers linking two groups of 8 out in the wild so guilds can actually go out together again. It's really not hard to come up with this stuff. Your killing this game not us.
You're saying this because you don't roleplay the game, but take it as an arcade game. I agree that there are many things in this game that are unbalanced and tons of bugs that need fixes, but the game is funny for me because I roleplay my two chars.