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Thread: Smuggler's Guide to Selling Faction Points v1.3 by Dreven

LorenzoMh
Sun Feb 01, 2004 1:12 am
#27






Master_Valis wrote:

One question - do you loose you rank when you resign from one faction and join another - and then what happens if your come back to your original faction? Are youthen low ranking once more or does it store a rank for each side?


Trying to see if it's worth it to be able to switch sides or if it's better to just stay reb and if I need imp faction just do it late at night - cause I've not been able to make it to the imp recruiter while being an overt reb to even see what choices he will give me....

I might just be confused as to the whole process however!








You lose all ranks when you resign.




Lorenzo,
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DrevenStrobe
Sun Feb 01, 2004 1:13 am
#28






Master_Valis wrote:

One question - do you loose you rank when you resign from one faction and join another - and then what happens if your come back to your original faction? Are youthen low ranking once more or does it store a rank for each side?


Trying to see if it's worth it to be able to switch sides or if it's better to just stay reb and if I need imp faction just do it late at night - cause I've not been able to make it to the imp recruiter while being an overt reb to even see what choices he will give me....

I might just be confused as to the whole process however!










Yes....you lose all your rank when you resign. If you join the opposite faction, then rejoin the original faction you have to completely work your way back through the ranks.



Dreven Strobe (Colonel) Tristyn Strobe
TKM / Master Pistoleer / Master Smuggler / Master Merchant
Imp FP Broker: 130c/FP Starsider Imp FP Broker: 130c/FP
Smuggler 'til the end...and then some.
"Everything I tell you is a lie. The truth is always bigger than the words we use to describe it."
DrevenStrobe
Sun Feb 01, 2004 1:40 am
#29

In order to buy yourself back up the ranks, you'd have to find another Smuggler of the faction you want to buy and pay them for the faction...


If they're a good guy or girl, they'll feel pity on you and will do it at "cost"...which runs around 4-Million creds to get the 50k fp to go from Private to Colonel.


Honestly, it's better to stick with one faction and refer people of the opposite faction to a Smuggler on the other side.



Dreven Strobe (Colonel) Tristyn Strobe
TKM / Master Pistoleer / Master Smuggler / Master Merchant
Imp FP Broker: 130c/FP Starsider Imp FP Broker: 130c/FP
Smuggler 'til the end...and then some.
"Everything I tell you is a lie. The truth is always bigger than the words we use to describe it."
UrbannJedi
Sun Feb 01, 2004 5:12 am
#30

Excellent Info all thnx .. last doubt is .. what should I charge for Fraction Point Selling... just curiouse







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||Mind Trick Sorcress|Death Stick Pusher||
Notorious Master Smuggler
|ATO|

Daermoth
Sun Feb 01, 2004 5:29 am
#31

I charge 120 creds per point. Keep in mind, this is more than most faction grinders will even sell it for. Pretty much anything over 100 creds per point will get whines from those who dont understand the system. Let them know that you arent selling points you harvested from killing the opposing faction, but that instead you buy them off a recruiter, and that you tack on a little to make a profit.



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0....Always Selling Faction.....0000000000000000000
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UrbannJedi
Sun Feb 01, 2004 6:31 am
#32

Im new at this fraction selling ...


so If it costs 10k per 125 Fraction .. that means I should charge 15000 ..10K cost.. and 5k being my Profit right ..






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||Mind Trick Sorcress|Death Stick Pusher||
Notorious Master Smuggler
|ATO|

Daermoth
Sun Feb 01, 2004 6:45 am
#33

Yep, and if you are a Leutenant Colonel, you lose that 25 extra points in delegation, and you come to exactly 5k profit for every 100 points sold. If you rank up to colonel, you will only lose 18 points for every delegation of 100, and those extra 12 points start adding up, so every 8th delegation or so is pure profit of 15k.



0000000000000000000.Colonel Daermoth Kaetan..0000000000000000000
0000000000000000000.......Bloodfinian, Tester......0000000000000000000

0000000000000000000.........Master Smuggler......0000000000000000000
000000000000000000
0....Always Selling Faction.....0000000000000000000
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0.......................................0000000000000000000
0000000000000000000.So tell me what to slice, but.000000000000000000

0000000000000000000.the server gods watch, and.0000000000000000000
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Flitred
Tue Feb 03, 2004 9:15 am
#34

MORE TIPS:



Tip #1:

when selling FP, select to go OVERT, then immediately select go COVERT before selling....this reduces the amount of down time lost due to 1hr wait....also, modify macro (if you use it) to make the first selection /conversationRespons4; instead of /conversationResponse5;....because the option to go covert/overt is removed from menu after you select you want to go covert


Tip #2:

use this simple macro everytime you are overt and donw' want to PvP

REMOVE ALL ARMOR PRIOR to executing macro...also all trades will be canceled when the /feign command is used.


/feigndeath;

/pause 2;

/ui action toolbarSlot##; (where ## corrosponds with the location of the /feign macro)


Tip #3:

Aeras has shown me that buying FP from a recuiter is faster to do by hand, rather than relying on the macro. Here are his tips (passed down to me). You must have IMP/REB seller of fp selected:

Have a macro set up in the F1 slot that simply reads


/del CUSTOMER_NAME 318 (use 318 because after 1.18:1 ratio, it comes out to 375, which you acquire each time you do the following)


1)Click the tilde (the key next to the 1 on the number row...the squiggly thing)

2)Click 1 (this starts the conversation)

3)Click 'I'd like to donate.....' with the mouse...

4)Click "ten thousand credits; with the mouse...


<<repeat steps 1-4 two more times>>


5)Push f1 to /del the faction points to client


This goes much much faster for me than the slo macro goes...but the macro was good for me when I was starting out, although i never had it loop onto itself


I hope these help my fellow MSmuggs.....





Sarg Marx

Ranger, Rifleman, MScout, Creature Handler
MMarxman, MCommando, MSmuggler, MArtesian (Holo #1), MArchitect (Holo #2), MDroid Engineer (Holo #3), Master Dancer (Holo #4-to be left unfinished)

Imperial Colonel
Bloodfin
Daermoth
Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:05 am
#35

Hehe, hey now, the feign death macro was posted by yours truly first.........which has saved my life twice now btw, check it on the smugglers chuckles.


If you are selling large ammounts of faction, doing all the clicking yourself is tedious. I prefer the loop method, and as the recruiter will take from your bank first, i move all my money to my wallet, leave the ammount given by the customer in my account - my profit, and hit the looped macro. With 2 second delays and 2 sets of buying faction every time i delegate, it comes out to 20 seconds for every round of delegation. this allows me, barring lag screwing up the macro, to time exactly how long it will take to give the customer all of their purchased faction. That way i can go afk and listen for tells from my customer while putzing in teh kitchen or watching tv. I helped one fellow purchase a large base, which for him cost 60k points that he didnt have. Needless to say it took a long time. we both went afk and i actually left to the mall for a while. Keep in mind my feign death macro was running the whole time





0000000000000000000.Colonel Daermoth Kaetan..0000000000000000000
0000000000000000000.......Bloodfinian, Tester......0000000000000000000

0000000000000000000.........Master Smuggler......0000000000000000000
000000000000000000
0....Always Selling Faction.....0000000000000000000
000000000000000000
0.......................................0000000000000000000
0000000000000000000.So tell me what to slice, but.000000000000000000

0000000000000000000.the server gods watch, and.0000000000000000000
0000000000000000000..the server gods are mean.0000000000000000000
Sosstuborx
Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:16 am
#36

I'm typing this up more for my benefit than for any other reason...





For a Master Smuggler, the cost of purchasing faction is 80 cr per 1 faction point. To find the perfaction point cost (in credits = $FP) of transferingthe faction:


$FP = /delegate ratio * 80


For a Colonel, $FP = 1.18 * 80 = 94.4 credits


In another post someone asked how much could he expect to pay for 5000 faction points. Assuming you are a Colonel, your cost would be:


$FP * (# of requested faction points)


1.18 * 80 * 5,000 = 472,000 credits


The amount of faction you will need to purchase is:


5,000 * 1.18 = 5,900 faction points


Solution check:


5,900 * 80 = 472,000 credits


So, if you charge the individual 100 cr per faction point (Price) your profit will be:


[Price- ($FP* 80)] * ( # of requested faction points)


[100 - (1.18 * 80)] * 5000 = 28,000 credits


Solution check:


(100 * 5000) - (1.18 * 80 * 5000) = 28,000 credits







Am I on the right track here?






Col. Cristos Diaz
-------------------------------
Daermoth
Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:28 am
#37

Yep, except for teh part where you charge em 100 creds per point.....Im too greedy for that little profit



0000000000000000000.Colonel Daermoth Kaetan..0000000000000000000
0000000000000000000.......Bloodfinian, Tester......0000000000000000000

0000000000000000000.........Master Smuggler......0000000000000000000
000000000000000000
0....Always Selling Faction.....0000000000000000000
000000000000000000
0.......................................0000000000000000000
0000000000000000000.So tell me what to slice, but.000000000000000000

0000000000000000000.the server gods watch, and.0000000000000000000
0000000000000000000..the server gods are mean.0000000000000000000
DrevenStrobe
Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:34 am
#38






Sosstuborx wrote:

I'm typing this up more for my benefit than for any other reason...





For a Master Smuggler, the cost of purchasing faction is 80 cr per 1 faction point. To find the perfaction point cost (in credits = $FP) of transferingthe faction:


$FP = /delegate ratio * 80


For a Colonel, $FP = 1.18 * 80 = 94.4 credits


In another post someone asked how much could he expect to pay for 5000 faction points. Assuming you are a Colonel, your cost would be:


$FP * (# of requested faction points)


1.18 * 80 * 5,000 = 472,000 credits


The amount of faction you will need to purchase is:


5,000 * 1.18 = 5,900 faction points


Solution check:


5,900 * 80 = 472,000 credits


So, if you charge the individual 100 cr per faction point (Price) your profit will be:


[Price- ($FP* 80)] * ( # of requested faction points)


[100 - (1.18 * 80)] * 5000 = 28,000 credits


Solution check:


(100 * 5000) - (1.18 * 80 * 5000) = 28,000 credits







Am I on the right track here?








That works if you're an Imperial.


However, Rebels are only paying 72.46 creds / pt. when they buy from the recruiter. (138 points for 10k creds).




Dreven Strobe (Colonel) Tristyn Strobe
TKM / Master Pistoleer / Master Smuggler / Master Merchant
Imp FP Broker: 130c/FP Starsider Imp FP Broker: 130c/FP
Smuggler 'til the end...and then some.
"Everything I tell you is a lie. The truth is always bigger than the words we use to describe it."
Flitred
Tue Feb 03, 2004 12:26 pm
#39






Daermoth wrote:

Hehe, hey now, the feign death macro was posted by yours truly first.........which has saved my life twice now btw, check it on the smugglers chuckles.




Sorry Daermoth for not referring to you Daer. It's been a while (a day or so) since I read it, and I had forgotten who had posted it....Please forgive me.....You get all my reb references




Sarg Marx

Ranger, Rifleman, MScout, Creature Handler
MMarxman, MCommando, MSmuggler, MArtesian (Holo #1), MArchitect (Holo #2), MDroid Engineer (Holo #3), Master Dancer (Holo #4-to be left unfinished)

Imperial Colonel
Bloodfin
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