Smuggler Archive
Thread: spice no more?
ApollyonTB
Tue Mar 15, 2005 10:55 pm
#27
Maybe Im misunderstood here.
I know that the current system WILL be replaced.
I know that NEW spices WILL be added or used to replace the OLD ones.
I know that we MAY get a mission payout for doing the smuggler missions.
What I am saying is that all of this MAY NOT be worth the 14 skill points.
The spice that is given on Missions, MAY NOT be worth anything to anyone...except the NPCs that you have to smuggler for.
Right now that best way for a smuggler to make credits is o DO hunting missions.
I AM NOT a hunter, I am a MASTER SMUGGLER (been one for well over a year now). Will I, as a MASTER smuggler make more on HUNTING missions, or from SMUGGLING? Right NOW, I have the ability to craft spices, THAT DOES MAKE me a small income of about 100-200K a week, depending on the market. I would RATHER NOT have to make this spices, I would RATHER SMUGGLE, but I still need to have SOME kind of income. That is why I am saying that they just add a Master smuggler spice, and add experimentation....CAUSE after being a Master smuggler for over a year, but being a Novice a bit longer than that (yes I did that whole hunt [as in kill Npcs] for the locked container thing to grind the slice tree...and I sliced Terms WITHOUT clamps) I DO NOT trust the Devs.Will the 14 skill points for the spices tree (or what replaces it) be worth it? If it is..GREAT...but I do not have the same hope and faith in the devs like I used to, especially for Smugglers.
Who knows, we will propably be adding this whole "Smuggler concpet" into the "Smugglers history" thread.
Message Edited by ApollyonTB on 03-15-2005 09:56 PM
DigiDante
Tue Mar 15, 2005 11:24 pm
#28
You make and sell spices... In the 16 months I've been a smuggler I've sold maybe... 3 crates of muon. Thats it.
Is it a possibility the devs will add spices no one uses? Yes its a possibility, but have some faith in the guys and gals for christus sake. They know how much they've fuqed us over and I seriously, seriously, doubt they will add missions that have no valuable rewards.
Is it a possibility the devs will add spices no one uses? Yes its a possibility, but have some faith in the guys and gals for christus sake. They know how much they've fuqed us over and I seriously, seriously, doubt they will add missions that have no valuable rewards.
DigiDante
Wed Mar 16, 2005 12:55 am
#29
If you have no faith in the people that build and allow you to play this game, then why the hell do you play it.
ApollyonTB
Wed Mar 16, 2005 1:30 am
#30
DigiDante wrote:
ApollyonTB wrote:
I sure hope the spice given to us from missions is worth the 14 skill points. In all honesty, I would rather them enable experimentation on spices and add a Master smuggler spice than to take a chance at letting the devs create a spice that we as smugglers have to do missions for.
We all have seen what the devs can do...and once again, Im afraid.
THEY WILL REPLACE THE SPICES TREE WITH SOMETHING DIFFERENT!
They are not just removing spice crafting and leaving the spices tree in our profession!! The tree will be removed in order for us to get missions to acquire spice!
You dont get it do you? I know they will replace it. Probably likethe BH trees. the higher you are the better spices you can get, the more credits you can get, ect; But the point Im making is that the spice they DO give, the credits the missions might apy out, MAY NOT be worth the 14 skill points. If I can go to Dath, or Dant with a full doc buff, and do hunting missions, and come back 200-300K richer in three hours, and three hours after I get back from a smuggler mission only pays 12 spices, and 50k....um can you say...Nerf?
ApollyonTB
Wed Mar 16, 2005 4:13 am
#31
DigiDante wrote:
If you have no faith in the people that build and allow you to play this game, then why the hell do you play it.
where the hell did I state that I hated the game? Please...show me.
You are willing to surrender a full tree worth 14 skill points, just give it to the devs, and let them have a go at something they have a track record of messing up? Spices right now is the one of the 2 ways a smuggler can make credits.....
and [edited] sorry about the personal attack.
Message Edited by ApollyonTB on 03-16-2005 11:21 AM
Arsani
Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:59 am
#32
Tee...come on man deep breath...hold it...now let it out...now breath in...and out...relaxed yet?
Good! Get your butt back to the factory! We got stockpileing to do! 
SpinningCloud
Wed Mar 16, 2005 8:06 am
#33
Apollyon; "To me making spices, is better than taking the devs track record, and trusting them to make a something that we all can enjoy...and call it "smuggling"."
Ahhh...I'd like to point out that MAKING spices IS what the devs have for a track record for what they call "smuggling" in our profession...and I don't enjoy it one bit.
Personally I'm hoping that afteralmost two years of hearing what we've been saying they are finall getting RID of the garbage they USED to call"smuggling" and trying for somethingthat actually bears resemblance to smuggling.
So, sorry, your arguement is falling on deaf ears here...I findvirtually nothing about our skill tree that I EVER would have designed in as "smuggling"...except maybe understanding lekku language.
Jaguarrr
Wed Mar 16, 2005 8:12 am
#34
SpinningCloud wrote:
Apollyon; "To me making spices, is better than taking the devs track record, and trusting them to make a something that we all can enjoy...and call it "smuggling"."
Ahhh...I'd like to point out that MAKING spices IS what the devs have for a track record for what they call "smuggling" in our profession...and I don't enjoy it one bit.
Personally I'm hoping that afteralmost two years of hearing what we've been saying they are finall getting RID of the garbage they USED to call"smuggling" and trying for somethingthat actually bears resemblance to smuggling.
So, sorry, your arguement is falling on deaf ears here...I findvirtually nothing about our skill tree that I EVER would have designed in as "smuggling"...except maybe understanding lekku language.
He speaks of smuggling ressources, weapons, medicals, food, furniture. Crap EVERYTING that goes through customs is worth to be SMUGGLED. There no customs yet. And that is a huge problem for us.
That, and I want to talk in Traders Argot.
SpinningCloud
Wed Mar 16, 2005 8:19 am
#35
And Apollyon, you're the one with the definition of 'smuggling' in your sig.
What exactly does drug manufacturing and slicing have to do with ANY part of that definition?
I say get rid of them both. Slicing maybe keep ONLY as a support skill to actual smuggling. But crafting and standing around starports tinkering with weapons and armor bears little resemblance to smuggling.
DigiDante
Wed Mar 16, 2005 9:06 am
#36
ApollyonTB wrote:
DigiDante wrote:
If you have no faith in the people that build and allow you to play this game, then why the hell do you play it.where the hell did I state that I hated the game? Please...show me.
You are willing to surrender a full tree worth 14 skill points, just give it to the devs, and let them have a go at something they have a track record of messing up? Spices right now is the one of the 2 ways a smuggler can make credits.....
and..."you pay me to slice your weapon, Igive it back because Im not a thief"
Did I say you hated the game? No.
I said why do you play the game if you have no faith in the people that design it.
People like you witha down and out attitude about everything ruin my game play. Have some faith in your fellow man for once.
Yes I know they have a track record of screwing up, but have you also noticed that there is a new whole slew of Dev's and they're working hard at fixing problems that we've b!tched about since day one? Have you not noticed that this game gets better and better after each publish? Have you not noticed that they are listening to player feedback more and more? Have you not noticed that everything they do does not evolve around BH's and Jedi now?
I'm sorry if I offend you or anything, but for once in the past two years I truely start feeling happy about being a smuggler and truely start looking forward to the new additions that I assume will make my game play alot better and you come along with your doom and gloom attitude with your belief that the Dev's cannot do anything right.
Also thanks for attacking my sig and making it more of a personal stab.
And you as a smuggler for so long have seemt to forget that there are three ways for a smuggler to make income. Faction ( accounts for 1-3m income for me weekly ), slicing ( accounts for 100-300k income weekly ), and Spices ( 0 income weekly. )
Message Edited by DigiDante on 03-16-2005 10:10 AM
Arsani
Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:41 am
#37
Leaping to my guildmates defense, because work is dull....
Faction only works if you join a faction. ApollyonTB and the rest of our 'Family' smugglers can't sell faction becauseour group is loyal only to itself, not to either side of the war. Comes from being RPers. That leave slicing and spicing.
Now you boys play nice. Otherwise no dessert.
ApollyonTB
Wed Mar 16, 2005 12:13 pm
#38
You guys want to jump at this with all four feet, go for it.I for one will not. Smuggling anything, is great. And I aplaud the IDEAS that these guys have COME UP with. But in all fairness, I have YET ro see an improvement INGAME to the smugglers profession in over year. THe newest "smuggling content" for smugglers is incredible....expect for the fact that they will be fiddling with one of our trees (worth 14 skill points) and I DO NOT TRUST THEM. How can you not understand this?
Did you se me complain about anything else in that content? No...you did not. But the one thing, "spices" is a bit shaky for me. I make credits of spice deals. Do I think it is "smuggling"? NO. But they have two other trees (they gotta leave the DF tree alone) they can mess around with to add the smuggling content. They do NOT need to kill MY income to mess with the only tree that actually DOES bring in income. IMO, boi-engineers should be the ones making spices....or hell, maybe even dancers. But since they have smugglers doing it....lets leave it that way until they come up with some damn good spices, that will be worth "smuggling", and WORTH selling to the community.
You dont care about the spices tree...cause you dont use it. I care about it, cause about now, its damn near the only source of my income on my server.
(I apologize fo rthe personal attack,and I have edited it out,but one-staring me ...is the same as apersonal attack. You and I both know it.)
Message Edited by ApollyonTB on 03-16-2005 11:24 AM
ApollyonTB
Wed Mar 16, 2005 12:20 pm
#39
SpinningCloud wrote:
And Apollyon, you're the one with the definition of 'smuggling' in your sig.
What exactly does drug manufacturing and slicing have to do with ANY part of that definition?
I say get rid of them both. Slicing maybe keep ONLY as a support skill to actual smuggling. But crafting and standing around starports tinkering with weapons and armor bears little resemblance to smuggling.
I agree, lets get rid of slicing.
Lets get rid of a skill that it so random, it can mess up one of the most powerful weapons on a server.
Lets use the slicing tree, or the underworld tree, to add the smuggling content. The higher you advance in the underworld tree, the higher the payouts on smuggling missions.
Fiddling with weapons/armor is for armorsmiths and weaponsmiths, leave it that way. Spices is an illegal substance WORTH hiding, and smuggling.