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Thread: BAH! For Those Wondering About the Commando Before Smuggler Thing...
Keck_is_banned wrote:
NickHeel wrote:
RyFord wrote:
Actually what am am is enjoying my game and giggling hysterical every time you cry...but that's just me
I know your type. You're a Smuggler dabbler. You may be master now, but you are what you are. We had them since the beginning. People taking up Dirty Fighting just for Feign Death and Last Ditch. Smuggler is secondary to you.
actually what he is, is a carefully camoflaged troll.
I disagree strongly
I am never camouflaged
SmugglinZane wrote:
Call me selfish if you want, but OVER 2 YEARS OF WAITING WOULD MAKE ANY PROFESSION THAT WAY. (2 years, not since CU for all you posers thatkeep posting on the subject.)
So you are a Commando?
Because that ishow long Commando has been waiting and they don't even get to slice anything, sell their spices, concuss anything, Panic anything, Modify Combat Speed on anything, or Restrain anything
WillburWright wrote:
RyFord wrote:
SmugglinZane wrote:
Call me selfish if you want, but OVER 2 YEARS OF WAITING WOULD MAKE ANY PROFESSION THAT WAY. (2 years, not since CU for all you posers thatkeep posting on the subject.)
So you are a Commando?
Because that ishow long Commando has been waiting and they don't even get to slice anything, sell their spices, concuss anything, Panic anything, Modify Combat Speed on anything, or Restrain anything
See, that ain't the issue, buddy boi.
Now, if commando had lacked certs for all their commando weapons for 2+ years, then you talk.
And if Commando were able to do more than RangedShot the argument would have validity because a COMMANDO still can't do DAMAGE.
At least Smuggler has a viable role in combat.
Buddy Boi
silly me
WesBelden wrote:
I've gotta say I don't think it's as bad as you're making out.. I mean, sure, Commando have a developer posting in their forum asking what's wrong with their profession.. but there's a whole team of designers, not all of which have their head in the expansion.
If this were some In Development post detailing a revamp, I'd be reaching for the cattle prod, but it's not, it's a developer asking, "What's the most broken out of your broken things?"
I'm not arguing for Commando coming first (hell I'm the Smuggler correspondent, I want us first and foremost), but I'm also not annoyed that another profession has a developer looking at them.
We have Smuggler missions schedualed tentatively to arrive in November and if there aren't any, there's going to be hell to pay, both on these boards and presumabley (hopefully) in the gaming press. I don't see Commandos being asked what bugs need fixing the most as a precursor or even indication that Mr. Morning Star is going to have his home handed over.
Commandos want a revamp, but even we know how hard the smugglers have been tagging along trying to get that carrot. Hell I have been there most of the way with you. I really want commandos to get the AoE fix, and maybe grenade fix then see our Revamp done. I stress this again, not a revamp, but a fix to commando, then we get what's coming to us IMO!
BailorJayssek wrote:
On Commando AoE. It should NOT be 100% splash damage. Why?
Commandos cite that other professions have AOE attacks that do 100%. Problem is this--it's a SPECIAL that does the AOE, not the WEAPON. For Commandos, if they use that weapon, EVERY attack is AoE. So a scaled splash damage is fair. I don't think Commando should have special attacks, so I agree with many on that. Having the AoE weapons (including grenades) would be enough if they all work.
BIGGEST thing I can agree with: The expense of crafting commando weapons and grenades. I never, ever touched them as a WS because of the requirements. And for a CONSUMABLE, even. So, fix Commando AoE, make grenades useful, and lower the crafting requirements on some of their weapons. A 'revamp,' though? I don't see the purpose.
But to tell Smugglers to get in line simply because they have a "viable combat role" is like saying "Okay, Jedi, you may not be able to use a lightsaber, but you CAN make blob candy. So you'll just have to wait." We didn't ask to be made exclusively combat. We asked to be SMUGGLERS that do SMUGGLING for people that have things that need SMUGGLED. What we got was "Oh, you want a sandwich? Here's an old boot. Enjoy!" Sure, dabblers can find a million uses for that old boot, but what about those of us that got the Novice Smuggler box so that we could become master SMUGGLERS?
Give us the Smuggler revamp, make it stick, and we'll leave you alone for good on the matter. Then you can revamp whoever until the banthas come home, and we'll just smile.
Correct. Splash damage in game terms should mean a smaller amount of damage spread over a large area.Asopposed to a largeamount of damage focused on a singletarget (ie. most weapons).It shouldn't mean an atomic bomb. You trade off high damage for hurting multiple targets.
Hardly rocket science is it?
Although I would agree that AOE weapons with a higher CL requirement should obviously should obviously cause more damage. But never more than the equivilent standard weapon. To compensate for the minimised damage, you should get dizzy effects or cause mobs to panic and retreat. Splash damage isn't strictly about straight damage - it's about demoralising and confusing your opponents to make them easier to pick off.
Message Edited by coldreboot on 10-02-2005 11:35 AM
Message Edited by coldreboot on 10-02-2005 11:37 AM
RyFord wrote:
WillburWright wrote:
RyFord wrote:
SmugglinZane wrote:
Call me selfish if you want, but OVER 2 YEARS OF WAITING WOULD MAKE ANY PROFESSION THAT WAY. (2 years, not since CU for all you posers thatkeep posting on the subject.)
So you are a Commando?
Because that ishow long Commando has been waiting and they don't even get to slice anything, sell their spices, concuss anything, Panic anything, Modify Combat Speed on anything, or Restrain anything
See, that ain't the issue, buddy boi.Now, if commando had lacked certs for all their commando weapons for 2+ years, then you talk.
And if Commando were able to do more than RangedShot the argument would have validity because a COMMANDO still can't do DAMAGE.At least Smuggler has a viable role in combat.
Buddy Boi
Yes, at least SMUGGLEr has a viable role in combat. Well tell you what. How about for your Commando revamp, how about your profession STILL can't do any damage, but you get the awesome abilities of an expert Cooper. That's right. Barrels, firkins, kilderkins, hogsheads, butts, rundlets, tierces, puncheons, and pipes. You will be the MASTERS OF CASKS. Jedi will cower before your ability to shape and craft staves.
And then you'll have some idea of just how WONDERFUL it is that Smugglers are sooooo good at Crowd Control.
Keck_is_banned wrote:
RyFord wrote:
WillburWright wrote:
RyFord wrote:
SmugglinZane wrote:
Call me selfish if you want, but OVER 2 YEARS OF WAITING WOULD MAKE ANY PROFESSION THAT WAY. (2 years, not since CU for all you posers thatkeep posting on the subject.)
So you are a Commando?
Because that ishow long Commando has been waiting and they don't even get to slice anything, sell their spices, concuss anything, Panic anything, Modify Combat Speed on anything, or Restrain anything
See, that ain't the issue, buddy boi.
Now, if commando had lacked certs for all their commando weapons for 2+ years, then you talk.
And if Commando were able to do more than RangedShot the argument would have validity because a COMMANDO still can't do DAMAGE.
At least Smuggler has a viable role in combat.
Buddy Boi
Yes, at least SMUGGLEr has a viable role in combat. Well tell you what. How about for your Commando revamp, how about your profession STILL can't do any damage, but you get the awesome abilities of an expert Cooper. That's right. Barrels, firkins, kilderkins, hogsheads, butts, rundlets, tierces, puncheons, and pipes. You will be the MASTERS OF CASKS. Jedi will cower before your ability to shape and craft staves.
And then you'll have some idea of just how WONDERFUL it is that Smugglers are sooooo good at Crowd Control.
No thanks I'm a Smuggler too and prefer that method of crow control.
BailorJayssek wrote:
On Commando AoE. It should NOT be 100% splash damage. Why?
Commandos cite that other professions have AOE attacks that do 100%. Problem is this--it's a SPECIAL that does the AOE, not the WEAPON. For Commandos, if they use that weapon, EVERY attack is AoE. So a scaled splash damage is fair. I don't think Commando should have special attacks, so I agree with many on that. Having the AoE weapons (including grenades) would be enough if they all work.
BIGGEST thing I can agree with: The expense of crafting commando weapons and grenades. I never, ever touched them as a WS because of the requirements. And for a CONSUMABLE, even. So, fix Commando AoE, make grenades useful, and lower the crafting requirements on some of their weapons. A 'revamp,' though? I don't see the purpose.
But to tell Smugglers to get in line simply because they have a "viable combat role" is like saying "Okay, Jedi, you may not be able to use a lightsaber, but you CAN make blob candy. So you'll just have to wait." We didn't ask to be made exclusively combat. We asked to be SMUGGLERS that do SMUGGLING for people that have things that need SMUGGLED. What we got was "Oh, you want a sandwich? Here's an old boot. Enjoy!" Sure, dabblers can find a million uses for that old boot, but what about those of us that got the Novice Smuggler box so that we could become master SMUGGLERS?
Give us the Smuggler revamp, make it stick, and we'll leave you alone for good on the matter. Then you can revamp whoever until the banthas come home, and we'll just smile.
Ok so far you admitted to GETTING SOMETHING. Commanod got nothing. As for AOE being 100/100 damage that's not the way it's supposed to work. It is supposed to be 100/40 so the "spalsh damage" does 40% of the assigned combat damage. Currently it does 100/1. That's right, 1 damage.
As for not asking for a combat role, sorry bud but this is a COMBAT ORIENTED game. You get to preform respectably in Combat, sell, drugs, and perform an illegal service to weapons and armor. What is your point?
RyFord wrote:
Keck_is_banned wrote:
RyFord wrote:
WillburWright wrote:
RyFord wrote:
SmugglinZane wrote:
Call me selfish if you want, but OVER 2 YEARS OF WAITING WOULD MAKE ANY PROFESSION THAT WAY. (2 years, not since CU for all you posers thatkeep posting on the subject.)
So you are a Commando?
Because that ishow long Commando has been waiting and they don't even get to slice anything, sell their spices, concuss anything, Panic anything, Modify Combat Speed on anything, or Restrain anything
See, that ain't the issue, buddy boi.Now, if commando had lacked certs for all their commando weapons for 2+ years, then you talk.
And if Commando were able to do more than RangedShot the argument would have validity because a COMMANDO still can't do DAMAGE.At least Smuggler has a viable role in combat.
Buddy Boi
Yes, at least SMUGGLEr has a viable role in combat. Well tell you what. How about for your Commando revamp, how about your profession STILL can't do any damage, but you get the awesome abilities of an expert Cooper. That's right. Barrels, firkins, kilderkins, hogsheads, butts, rundlets, tierces, puncheons, and pipes. You will be the MASTERS OF CASKS. Jedi will cower before your ability to shape and craft staves.
And then you'll have some idea of just how WONDERFUL it is that Smugglers are sooooo good at Crowd Control.
No thanks I'm a Smuggler too and prefer that method of crow control.
Stop calling yourself a Smuggler.
Keck_is_banned wrote:
RyFord wrote:
Keck_is_banned wrote:
RyFord wrote:
WillburWright wrote:
RyFord wrote:
SmugglinZane wrote:
Call me selfish if you want, but OVER 2 YEARS OF WAITING WOULD MAKE ANY PROFESSION THAT WAY. (2 years, not since CU for all you posers thatkeep posting on the subject.)
So you are a Commando?
Because that ishow long Commando has been waiting and they don't even get to slice anything, sell their spices, concuss anything, Panic anything, Modify Combat Speed on anything, or Restrain anything
See, that ain't the issue, buddy boi.
Now, if commando had lacked certs for all their commando weapons for 2+ years, then you talk.
And if Commando were able to do more than RangedShot the argument would have validity because a COMMANDO still can't do DAMAGE.
At least Smuggler has a viable role in combat.
Buddy Boi
Yes, at least SMUGGLEr has a viable role in combat. Well tell you what. How about for your Commando revamp, how about your profession STILL can't do any damage, but you get the awesome abilities of an expert Cooper. That's right. Barrels, firkins, kilderkins, hogsheads, butts, rundlets, tierces, puncheons, and pipes. You will be the MASTERS OF CASKS. Jedi will cower before your ability to shape and craft staves.
And then you'll have some idea of just how WONDERFUL it is that Smugglers are sooooo good at Crowd Control.
No thanks I'm a Smuggler too and prefer that method of crow control.
Stop calling yourself a Smuggler.
Actually I call myself a PvPer its SOE that calls me a Smuggler. But thanx for noticing. Have a nice day and remember...
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