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Thread: Boba Fett vs. Han
Smug-Druggler wrote:
Seriously now...in a one on one. With all the hustler's luck that Han could muster, he loses to Boba Fett 9 out of 10 times (and *please* don't geek out and quote "Never tell me the odds".) If you really had to put money on such a contest, Fett would be the choice.
I'm as much a smuggler fan as anyone, hence choosing it as my profession and*never* dropping itdespite it being the Ford Edsel of SWG for so long. But, in all seriousness consider:
Boba Fett is a clone of Jango (no, I don't like that being the origin of Fett, but there it is).
Jango lasts 8 seconds, if that long, against Mace Windu....
Whatever could possibly be lost in that translation in Han's favor, if Han beats Boba or is even an tie, that means that Han does better against Mace Windu or possiblywins or ties with him??
Nah. Ain't happening.
(Leave SWG Jedi animosity at the door, this is the movies. And that travesty of a scene in Episode 6...was, well as much as I respect George Lucas' vision, what a waste of an opportunity for a great character to go out like the badass he was meant to be).
Message Edited by Smug-Druggler on 06-26-2003 11:35 AM
It's that kind of logic that can ruin the movies and novels for you. To attempt to gauge through statistics who is better than who.
Trying to analyze fights that way is what can ruin such battles, and trust me I see it all the time on other forums. Everyone talks about how Darth Maul is so damn great....well...the one-line wonder defeated a Jedi Master, only do die against his PADAWAN!
Some Sith Lord he was.
It shouldn't matter that Boba Fett is a clone of Jango Fett...who managed to kill one or two jedi, and held his own against a few more. He's not any lesser than Jango Fett, but he did meet his match in Han Solo, and it shouldnt matter than Han isn't a jedi.
There are a few other things to consider too. The Millenium Falcon vs the Slave 1, not just who has the better ship, but who is the better pilot.
And though I still believe they are equals, one other thing to considerabout Solo, is that herivaled the "Fastest draw in the galaxy." Gallandro. He was right-handed. Han might be a tiny bit slower, but he was ambedextrous...and beat him.
Osryri wrote:
CapnKate wrote:
In a stand up fight? The BH wins. But that's hardly what a Smuggler's looking for, is it?
To a Smuggler, the win is getting away in one piece, and for that reason, Smuggler wins, I think.
Similarly, Han wins. It took how many BHs how long to run the guy down? And in the end, it wasn't Fett that got him. It was the Empire and a double-cross brought on *because* of the Empire. Fett never stood a chance of catching they guy on his own.
Now, if he'd manage to corner Han without anywhere to run, he probably would have come out on top, in a straight-up fight. But that was precisely the situation han and any good Smuggler would avoid.
Actualy Fett was the one who tracked him and then told the Empire where he was.
I'm aware of that. That wasn't the point. the point was that Han was *caught* because the Empire did the legwork. I find it highly likely that if it had Been Fett by himself, Han would have slipped his grasp again, just like Han had done in the past to both Fett and other hunters. This, however, should not be taken as me being a Han fan. Because I'm not all that fond of him. But then, I think Fett's vastly overrated, too.
Even if you want to go the EU route...
Skedardistroyer wrote:
And though I still believe they are equals, one other thing to considerabout Solo, is that herivaled the "Fastest draw in the galaxy." Gallandro. He was right-handed. Han might be a tiny bit slower, but he was ambedextrous...and beat him.
Mought1971 wrote:
If A > B and C > B, C is not necessarily >= B.
Arrrrr!
You sure you have the correct values in the correct places? I mean, in your second proposal you have "C" being greater than "B", right?
So, how is it in your conclusion that "C" is not necessarily greater than or equal to "B"? "C" was just greater a couple dozen keystrokes before that...
That said, I do agree with you on the "Arrrrr!", Mister Pirate
Smug-Druggler wrote:
Mought1971 wrote:
If A > B and C > B, C is not necessarily >= B.
Arrrrr!
You sure you have the correct values in the correct places? I mean, in your second proposal you have "C" being greater than "B", right?
So, how is it in your conclusion that "C" is not necessarily greater than or equal to "B"? "C" was just greater a couple dozen keystrokes before that...
That said, I do agree with you on the "Arrrrr!", Mister Pirate
Whoops, ya got me. It should have been: If A > B and C > B, C is not necessarily >= A.
Even pretending to be smarrrrrrrt makes me look dumb.
Skedardistroyer wrote:
Smug-Druggler wrote:
Seriously now...in a one on one. With all the hustler's luck that Han could muster, he loses to Boba Fett 9 out of 10 times (and *please* don't geek out and quote "Never tell me the odds".) If you really had to put money on such a contest, Fett would be the choice.I'm as much a smuggler fan as anyone, hence choosing it as my profession and *never* dropping it despite it being the Ford Edsel of SWG for so long. But, in all seriousness consider:Boba Fett is a clone of Jango (no, I don't like that being the origin of Fett, but there it is).Jango lasts 8 seconds, if that long, against Mace Windu....Whatever could possibly be lost in that translation in Han's favor, if Han beats Boba or is even an tie, that means that Han does better against Mace Windu or possibly wins or ties with him??Nah. Ain't happening.(Leave SWG Jedi animosity at the door, this is the movies. And that travesty of a scene in Episode 6...was, well as much as I respect George Lucas' vision, what a waste of an opportunity for a great character to go out like the badass he was meant to be).Message Edited by Smug-Druggler on 06-26-2003 11:35 AM
It's that kind of logic that can ruin the movies and novels for you. To attempt to gauge through statistics who is better than who.
Trying to analyze fights that way is what can ruin such battles, and trust me I see it all the time on other forums. Everyone talks about how Darth Maul is so damn great....well...the one-line wonder defeated a Jedi Master, only do die against his PADAWAN!
Some Sith Lord he was.
It shouldn't matter that Boba Fett is a clone of Jango Fett...who managed to kill one or two jedi, and held his own against a few more. He's not any lesser than Jango Fett, but he did meet his match in Han Solo, and it shouldnt matter than Han isn't a jedi.
There are a few other things to consider too. The Millenium Falcon vs the Slave 1, not just who has the better ship, but who is the better pilot.
And though I still believe they are equals, one other thing to consider about Solo, is that he rivaled the "Fastest draw in the galaxy." Gallandro. He was right-handed. Han might be a tiny bit slower, but he was ambedextrous...and beat him.
A friend and I were having a similar conversation about Maul. We came to the conclusion that Maul was an exceptional saberist and would have beat Obi-Wan as well had he just killed him instead of getting cocky and sending sparks down at him. His arroagance was his weakness. While he was having fun by toying with Obi-Wan, Obi-Wan had the chance to make a plan and wait for an opening to use it. Obi-Wan lucked out. Simple as that.
Now, if you wish to ignore that, you're left wondering just how Qui-Gon Jinn achieved the rank of Master if his Padawan was better than him.
With Han and Boba facing off, you have two different types of players. Boba, who uses brute force, and typically shows all his cards ahead of time, giving him the upperhand right off the bat; and Han, who keeps some tricks up his sleeve for later, giving him the element of surprise. Its hard to really guage these two different styles against each other.