Smuggler Archive

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GreenMarine wrote:

It's generally my policy (and the company's policy) not to discuss numerical specifics.

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GM...

While I understand reasoning for this in crafting professions and such, a skill like Slicing absolutely depends on having well defined caps. If for no other reason than to prevent scamming and false advertising. If you just look back at the first 3 or 4 pages of this forum, you can see for yourself the detremental effect that the "party line" of "NO NUMBERS" has on this community. Threads such as "New Record 41% Slice?" are a regular occurance. Now, in that case, it was an Encumb slice on Armor, which is generally accepted by the community. But, in another thread, I personally had a toe-to-toe blowout with another member claiming a 38% damage slice on a weapon. Which, after a few posts, I was pretty much convinced was an example of the powerup exploit that still hasn't been fixed.

These are just a few examples of what the "tight lipped" approach from SOE does to rip at the fabric of a community. Your confirmation that tool quality doesn't make any difference is a good start, but that only addresses half of the problem.

Additionally, sometime last year, TH had mentioned that Slicing would make a good subject for a "Friday Feature." Would this still be possible? I think it would help a great deal to educate the general public about what slicing is and does. Until you're a Smuggler, you don't have any idea how many /tells you get from people saying, "Hey, I want you to slice this weapon for 35% Damage." Only to turn around and give the same person a 12% Speed slice, then be lambasted for it in spatial chat and sometimes on the forums...being called things like a scammer and fraud are not good things for Smugglers who live on reputation alone.

Please try to look at this from our angle andtalk with whoever you need to talk to in order to try to get some kind of leway in posting what our actual Slicing caps are.

Thanks.

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GreenMarine wrote:

It's generally my policy (and the company's policy) not to discuss numerical specifics.

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GreenMarine wrote:

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TolaGarf2 wrote:

Hmm didn't you work for id Software at some point as well? I seem to recall your name associated with Quake 2, or was it Doom 2? I might be remembering wrong though =)

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I worked for Epic Games as a gameplay programmeron Unreal Tournament. I also did tech work on porting the Unreal engine to Linux, PS2, and so forth.

I didn't work for id, but I did code for a Quake 2 mod group called "Orange Smoothie Productions" back in the day. That was about 7 years ago!

http://www.orangesmoothie.org/

Message Edited by GreenMarine on 06-14-2004 02:48 PM

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DrevenStrobe wrote:

And here we go again...

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RankorCity wrote:

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DrevenStrobe wrote:

And here we go again...

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/wink

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DrevenStrobe wrote:

I call your attention to Wayne's statistics, posted just this morning, 4.5 MONTHS of slices...almost 1500 weapon slices...NOTHING over 35%.

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Are you so closed minded as to not even conceed the the thought that there is the possibility of exceptional / legendary slices in game? Granted you dont get a message saying "You have achieved an exceptional slice of XX% on this item!" doesnt appear, but my God, how long did simple typos stay in the game? Mis-spellings of titles?

Just because you or Wayne haven't done it doesnt mean that it can't be done.

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RankorCity wrote:

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DrevenStrobe wrote:

I call your attention to Wayne's statistics, posted just this morning, 4.5 MONTHS of slices...almost 1500 weapon slices...NOTHING over 35%.

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Are you so closed minded as to not even conceed the the thought that there is the possibility of exceptional / legendary slices in game? Granted you dont get a message saying "You have achieved an exceptional slice of XX% on this item!" doesnt appear, but my God, how long did simple typos stay in the game? Mis-spellings of titles?

Just because you or Wayne haven't done it doesnt mean that it can't be done.

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When 99% of the smuggler community hasn't done it, it starts to go from "gee I wonder..." to "what kind of exploit were those people using?!?"

Seriously. Stop pushing the issue. Unless you want banned for exploiting if you are one of the people who got one of these "miracle" over 35% Weapon Slices. B/c the other 99% of us smugglers sure as heck haven't.

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RankorCity wrote:

Are you so closed minded as to not even conceed the the thought that there is the possibility of exceptional / legendary slices in game? Granted you dont get a message saying "You have achieved an exceptional slice of XX% on this item!" doesnt appear, but my God, how long did simple typos stay in the game? Mis-spellings of titles?

Just because you or Wayne haven't done it doesnt mean that it can't be done.

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PhoenixOrion wrote:

When 99% of the smuggler community hasn't done it, it starts to go from "gee I wonder..." to "what kind of exploit were those people using?!?"

Seriously. Stop pushing the issue. Unless you want banned for exploiting if you are one of the people who got one of these "miracle" over 35% Weapon Slices. B/c the other 99% of us smugglers sure as heck haven't.

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So what? 99 percent of the community has done ALOT of things in this game...

I am not pushing any issue you dumb **edit**.I know what I saw, and it I know itwasnt an exploit. I was so freaked out it happened, I didn't think to take a SS (something I rarely ever do in this game anyway - I forget its there half the time).As for as the PU exploit, I tried it the very same night you brought it up. Guess what? Didnt work. Granted if it did, I probably would have freaked out, yanked the powercord out of the wall and not played for a month.

You seem to think that if you or anyone you know can't / haven't done something, then its impossible for someone else to do it. Or if they do, they ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY MUST be exploiting, because we know this game works so perfectly that NOTHING ever goes wrong.

And further, WHO BROUGHT UP THE QUESTION "Now, if you could just confirm that Weapon slices above 35% were not possible, you would be my hero for the week..."TO THE DEV IN THE FIRST PLACE? YOU!!!!! Not me...YOU.

If an over 35 percent slice on weapswere not possible, given GreenMarine's history of being probably the straightest shooter in dev history, I feel absolutely confident that if it were not possible he would have said so.

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RankorCity wrote:

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PhoenixOrion wrote:

When 99% of the smuggler community hasn't done it, it starts to go from "gee I wonder..." to "what kind of exploit were those people using?!?"

Seriously. Stop pushing the issue. Unless you want banned for exploiting if you are one of the people who got one of these "miracle" over 35% Weapon Slices. B/c the other 99% of us smugglers sure as heck haven't.

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So what? 99 percent of the community has done ALOT of things in this game...

I am not pushing any issue you dumb **edit**.I know what I saw, and it I know itwasnt an exploit. I was so freaked out it happened, I didn't think to take a SS (something I rarely ever do in this game anyway - I forget its there half the time).As for as the PU exploit, I tried it the very same night you brought it up. Guess what? Didnt work. Granted if it did, I probably would have freaked out, yanked the powercord out of the wall and not played for a month.

You seem to think that if you or anyone you know can't / haven't done something, then its impossible for someone else to do it. Or if they do, they ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY MUST be exploiting, because we know this game works so perfectly that NOTHING ever goes wrong.

And further, WHO BROUGHT UP THE QUESTION "Now, if you could just confirm that Weapon slices above 35% were not possible, you would be my hero for the week..."TO THE DEV IN THE FIRST PLACE? YOU!!!!! Not me...YOU.

If an over 35 percent slice on weapswere not possible, given GreenMarine's history of being probably the straightest shooter in dev history, I feel absolutely confident that if it were not possible he would have said so.

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It is called preponderance of evidence. In the year this game has been in existence there is yet to be any confirmed documentation or screenshot etc. of any person getting a weapon slice over 35%. That is all we can go by. 99% of the popluation never receiving a weapon slice over 35%.

So lets do this, since the Devs will not talk about numbers, (which by the way does not confirm there existence either) lets say this:

There have been a few posts over the last year stating that it is possible to get a weapon slice greater than 35%, while the preponderance of evidence overwhelmingly indicates that there are not slices over 35%, the lack of confimation from the Devs indicate that theremay bea slim possibility of receiving a weapons slice greater then 35%. However, even people that have said to achieve a greater than 35% slice (all of them without any documantation of any sort)must concede that the odds of doing so are so infinitesimally small as to hardly be considered noteworthy exceptin there use to stirup and agitatethe smuggler community.