Smuggler Archive

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Ipseck wrote:
if concussion shot were an area attack, yes.. we would be. I'm probly missing something though.

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If we got an area root attack, that would be the definition of unbalanced. Being able to root one player is quite powerful enough for the sole reason that a person with a melee template is going to be slaughtered helplessly unless they shorten the duration, put in a timer, or put in a counter to Concussion shot.

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Ternque01 wrote:

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Ipseck wrote:
if concussion shot were an area attack, yes.. we would be. I'm probly missing something though.

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If we got an area root attack, that would be the definition of unbalanced. Being able to root one player is quite powerful enough for the sole reason that a person with a melee template is going to be slaughtered helplessly unless they shorten the duration, put in a timer, or put in a counter to Concussion shot.

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i have to disagree. if we're supposed to be controlling crowds then we should be able to do just that.
the current timer on Improved Concussion shot is 30 seconds i think. the attack does such little damage that i feel it's already balanced well.

another reason the root attack is balanced right now is because ranged gets very little in the way of defense. with a root we can keep a melee player at bay for enough time to deal some damage. because once they're unrooted they'll get within the 6m range and start wailing on us.

if they were to make an area root attack the timer would of course be shorter than a single target root attack, so that it would be balanced.

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Ternque01 wrote:

Well, aren't our state attacks area-of-effect? You can cut 20% of the damage potential of an enemy group with Intimidate Shot and 10% with the stun shot. That is a 30% reduction in firepower from an enemy group, and that is decent for crowd control. If Low Blow worked and Panic Shot was worth using, then a smuggler could pick out a really dangerous foe from an enemy group and neutralize that foe.

Of course, you don't think that an area root is unbalanced, but it doesn't make sense that a single person with a pistol would be able to root an entire army of people. Wouldn't an area snare attack be more appropriate???

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i wasn't aware that our state attacks were area attacks. if that is the case then i wouldn't call for an area root attack (i don't want us to be god-like by any means).
many of our attacks aren't working right. from what i've seen Intimidate shot only affects your target and is not an area attack. i could be wrong and just not have noticed it's AOE though.

i'd definitely settle for an area snare attack, if our snare attacks actually worked.
the only snare i've seen work was from a Combat Medic. he threw something nasty at me that made my movement VERY slow.
our snare attack doesn't seem to cause any reduction in speed right now

actually i'd be quite happy to get a working area snare attack.

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CorruptedData wrote:

Please please please don't flame me for this...

Could someone define the term "Mezzing"? This is my first and only MMO and I've picked up on most lingo but For the life of me can't figure out what a "mezz" is or how someone does it. To my best ability I've determined it's a form of crowd control but I normally see that as "CC" so this leads me to believe that "mezzing" is a special form of CC?

Sorry if this makes you roll your eyes, but remember, we we're all noobs at one point... except fishbrains who was born 30 years old.

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hehe it's ok. this is my first MMO too, and i asked the very same question the day the CU documents were released.

apparently "mezzing" is short for "mesmerizing" and comes from older RPG games, where a certain type of character was able to cast spells on enemies, thereby removing them from combat or making them less effective in combat.

so from what i understand "crowd control" and "mezzing" go hand and hand. it's basically the ability to affect an enemy in such a way that they can't fight as efficiently or at all.

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Ternque01 wrote:

Don't quote me, but I think I noticed that Intimidate and the stunning shot are AOE.

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if by the stunning shot you mean Burst shot, then yes, that one is AOE. but it's a Pistoleer ability not Smuggler.
i'll have to try out Intimidate shot tonight to see if it is AOE or not (is Intimidate shot Pistoleer too? i have a bad memory hehe).

i don't think we need all of our improved attacks to be AOE. i think just one or two of them would be enough.
i dunno about anyone else's experience, but when i open my actions window (crtl+A) i don't see any of the lower versions of my abilities. i only see the "Improved" or "Advanced" versions. so that might pose a problem. also the icons don't change so it would be hard to tell if you're selecting the regular or AOE version of each attack from your toolbar.

i think the two best candidates to become AOE attacks would be restraining shot and reckless shot.

maybe restraining shot could become an AOE attack and cause all targets within an area to slow down (like really slow down so that it's noticeable like they're walking underwater) the Combat Medics have a thing that does this to a single target. maybe ours could effect multiple targets but not slow them down quite as much or for quite as long as the CM ability. (although this would make Restraining Shot redundant with Carbineer's Surpression Fire, if Surpression Fire was actually working)

also reckless shot currently makes no sense. maybe it could apply a state like intimidate in an AOE, but also give us a slight penalty like it's supposed to.

Message Edited by GanymedePharuu on 04-22-2005 02:10 PM