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Thread: Quick summary of Caylin's famous 100 page doc
Do you guys want to slice a compartment into speeders and swoops?
Do you guys want to slice droids?
/bump.....heehee
Yimaz,
I've been reading this the whole time.
You touched on part of the problem, and that is the overfloading of ideas. There are too many, but yet they can be just as valid or interesting as another persons ideas.
I can whip out this proposal in about a half hour if I wanted to, but it would operate solely from my perspective when it is supposed to be a community document. We all have ideas and even in your proposals, things like slicing the BH terminal, I don't agree with, not because it isn't a valid way to do it, but because I really just dislike the thought of it. Yet others like yourself like it, I'm sure. So finding the right balance is required and that is a very tough thing to do.
What I've been trying to do is get some information from TH, I've sent about 3 emails over the last week alone asking questions about this to him and I've yet to receive a reply on any of them.
There are no closed doors on my end, Geevo has the reigns on this, he wanted to do it. This time I'm just another contributor which is just fine by me. I would like it done by this week, but we will see.
One of the Four Horsemen of the Smuggler Apocalypse! 
Smuggler_Caylin wrote:
Yimaz,
I've been reading this the whole time.
You touched on part of the problem, and that is the overfloading of ideas. There are too many, but yet they can be just as valid or interesting as another persons ideas.
I can whip out this proposal in about a half hour if I wanted to, but it would operate solely from my perspective when it is supposed to be a community document. We all have ideas and even in your proposals, things like slicing the BH terminal, I don't agree with, not because it isn't a valid way to do it, but because I really just dislike the thought of it. Yet others like yourself like it, I'm sure. So finding the right balance is required and that is a very tough thing to do.
What I've been trying to do is get some information from TH, I've sent about 3 emails over the last week alone asking questions about this to him and I've yet to receive a reply on any of them.
There are no closed doors on my end, Geevo has the reigns on this, he wanted to do it. This time I'm just another contributor which is just fine by me. I would like it done by this week, but we will see.
hey Caylin sorry for the hard core post, i know how hard you have worked for us, you posted some thingsa few weaks ago about how bumbed you were and with not hearing from you like we use toI was getting worryed. That mixed with the fact that we never seem to be able to move farward on any issueand the re-vamp being2 months away.....well im sureyou understand.I dont think im alone when I say we miss the weakly report even if nothing is going on its good to know your knockin at doors and ringing bells.
ok how does this look to you all?
3. Slice re-vamp 2.0
a.Smuggler vs BountyHunter: The ablity to slice into Bounty Hunter Terminals and remove the names of Jedi. A Smuggler could gain some sort of BH tiff for 15min for doing this.Also ajedi will want to seek out a Smuggler for help (like in the movies). It would create a very cat and mouse type of mini-game and it is still consent based combat.
b. The addition of a Slicing Modifier: Slicing would be similar to crafting with experimentation points replaced with slicing points. Scaleable number and types of items to slice based upon skill.
c. Slicing Tool Certifications: Re-cert FAN’s and Clamps to Novice and Slicing 3 respectively for use, not crafting to encourage a FAN economy for up and coming Smugglers and prevent the abuse of using Clamps all the time.
d. The Smuggler's Personal Weapon: Gives the smuggler the ability to experiment on their own weapon. Slicing it to possibly a broader range of modifications. What can be modified and by how much is dependent on skill level.
yimaz wrote:
hey Caylin sorry for the hard core post, i know how hard you have worked for us, you posted some thingsa few weaks ago about how bumbed you were and with not hearing from you like we use toI was getting worryed. That mixed with the fact that we never seem to be able to move farward on any issueand the re-vamp being2 months away.....well im sureyou understand.I dont think im alone when I say we miss the weakly report even if nothing is going on its good to know your knockin at doors and ringing bells.
It's not a problem Yimaz, it was a fair question, I'll probably rewrite a weekly report tonight, but there isn't much to report sadly.
The big things that have been happening are this template, talking with some smugglers over emails, reading over all these forums and trying to see how we can piece it all together to reflect the community as a whole. There has been nothing related to me by the developers, or anything asked of me.
I've sent a few emails to TH once he returned from E3, that as I said, I have had no response to. They primarily consisted of questions akin to when he needed this done by, questions on spice and how far we can go (For instance the option of going ground-up redesign of that tree and if that is even an option) as well as expansion questions. If they consider us a space expansion profession I'd like to know why at this point, since we are working on our revamp...
Posted on the c-forum a bit, not much smuggler related there though. That's the substance of what has been happening on my end as far as correspondent work.
You had every right asking me about it, so no worries there. Questions honestly come by are fine, and it's not as if you said I was doing nothing 
Though I've been slacking a bit on my reports to the community, even if there isn't much to report.
Vampirerobot,
I agree with you 100%, its what ive been hoping would happen with this thread. I have no real desire to pusheither way on many of there-vamp idea's I think they are all great. The dev's will look for what will work for a broad band of players. I think we hit that goal with the spice outline. It is easy to read,it is a blended and simple version of a lot of ideas.It is a "concepts" pagefor the dev's to work off of and I think that is what they want to see. When you have someone over to fix your TV you dont tell them what wire to cut, you tell him what you want fixed. I think the same rule applies here.
ok how does this look to you all?
3. Slice re-vamp 2.0
a.Smuggler vs BountyHunter: The ablity to slice into Bounty Hunter Terminals and remove the names of Jedi. A Smuggler could gain some sort of BH tiff for 15min for doing this.Also ajedi will want to seek out a Smuggler for help (like in the movies). It would create a very cat and mouse type of mini-game and it is still consent based combat.
b. The addition of a Slicing Modifier: Slicing would be similar to crafting with experimentation points replaced with slicing points. Scaleable number and types of items to slice based upon skill.
c. Slicing Tool Certifications: Re-cert FAN’s and Clamps to Novice and Slicing 3 respectively for use, not crafting to encourage a FAN economy for up and coming Smugglers and prevent the abuse of using Clamps all the time.
d. The Smuggler's Personal Weapon: Gives the smuggler the ability to experiment on their own weapon. Slicing it to possibly a broader range of modifications. What can be modified and by how much is dependent on skill level.
Nothing? I cant believe this so we are just going to sit around and say things like "hey ive got an idea for spice" until the re-vamp hits huh? Everyone has idea's yet no one is talking about move forward. Idea's, idea's idea's great......Where is Caylin? where is Geevo why is no one talking why is nothing going on? Is the re-vamp a for your eyes only type of thing and the community cant seeuntil caylin and his team are doneworking on itor is everyone so burned out now that they dont want to do it? Is this a community re-vamp or the re-vamp of a chosen few?We **edit** about communication with the dev's but i see nothing going on here and its been like thisfora month?Yes im a little peeved butonly because no one is talking and no one is moving forward.
Hey I have an idea for our re-vamp.....lets get it done!
The things i believe every smuggler is agreed upon is we want to become a valuable profession in the game at large, and have a skill set that compliments every other aspect of our profession. These are obviously two things that everyone has been thinking about as they present their versions of the revamp document. Except, with TH and the other devs being a bit AWOL since E3, there is little to know of what we can and cannot expect.
For instance, many ideas for the Slicing, Spice and DF line have presupposed a smuggler bounty system being instituted. If, however, that system is not put in place, many of these other ideas would become moot, or at the least much less effective. In example, if a smuggler-bounty system is not created, there is much less need to slice BH terminals. While it would be nice, even in that circumstance, to remove Jedi bounties from the terminals, would it not be better for us if the devs instead focused on a seperate aspect of our profession that would better compliment our new or current skills and content?
This community has put together so many wonderful ideas that fit so nicely together, it would be a shame if, due to those mysterious 'technical issues,' our profession simply morphs into another hodgepodge of unrelated skills and abilities.