Smuggler Archive
Thread: 2 new spices???? any word, anything, Caylin????
yimaz
Thu Aug 05, 2004 12:46 am
#27
Hey Caylin maybe you can relay to the Dev's that the Smuggler Community on a whole feels the Dev staff really has no desire to communicate with or help our profession in any way.This newaddition to the Doc profession sends that message to us loud and clear.
Tawd
Thu Aug 05, 2004 2:17 am
#28
We smuggs are a tragic bunch.... I'm starting to wonder if i chose this profession, cause i like lopsided characters. Characters written with inherent flaws, people handicapping themselves. I say this simply due to one thing more tragic than the revamp delay, and the following delayed delay of the revamps delay.
How many of us are Master Pistoleers? (and how many of the specials for pistoleer work? lol)
Hell, they even pulled our disarm shots, due to the rest of the community complaining that the wussy pistoleer/smuggler was killing their guns, and causing them to need to buy a replacement weapon, (and shortly there after charging them to slice the new one hehehehe). Man, that was a sweet deal for business back then. 
I just feel bad for anyone who is just a pistoleer, and doesn't even have BH or Smug dirty to keep em in the game....
Xarche
Thu Aug 05, 2004 6:06 am
#29
Those with hope will stay, those without will leave. Such is the way of things here. I was born a smuggler, and will stay a smuggler.
DRWolfe
Thu Aug 05, 2004 6:37 am
#30
Rudakus wrote:You guys keep saying youd be happy with anything even text added to a box...Maybe thats what they wanted keep us down and string us a long for such an extended period of time that we would no longer care about a complete revamp. So then they can just put in some quick fixes and we'd be so thrilled to have anything come to fruitation that they could push the revamp back another year...or2...-Rudakus
They'll push it back anyway no matter what, and we'll keep asking for a full revamp no matter what. What we're looking for is some acknowledgement from the Devs that the Smuggler profession actually exists in the game and that there are people playing this profession. A simple fix would be an "olive branch" that would let us know that we're not utterly despised by the Devs.
true_Kieran
Thu Aug 05, 2004 7:54 am
#31
Now I have been away for more than 2 month and thought "lets look into the forum for what has changed". I see it, nothing and it doesn't surprise me much. In every MMORPG there are some "professions" that get attention and some that don't, it has been like this ever since. Here smuggler is one of them and many here only can't imagine it because "smuggler is one of the most star warsy professions". Well, when did you last feel like in a Star Wars game? I know when it was for me, it was in the second week when I bought my first swoop bike, soon after that is was more like a 0815 Sci-Fi game with some Lighsaber-users. This is a timeline where almost no jedis should exist, and they come spawning. Have you ever heard of freaking holo emotes in the movies or books? Can't remember a story about a Combat Med either, or the almighty Riflemen, at least they were when I left, don't know about now.
I have to say our red named friends here do a pretty good job, you have to remember their checks are not signed by us. Smugglers are not smugglers from the beginning, we have been beaten and laughed at, are told they same lies over and over again and still there are enough smugglers playing in the game. Hell, they did a damn good job!
yimaz
Thu Aug 05, 2004 8:31 am
#32
I agree with you on many points but not the Doc and holoemotes stuff(even thoughemotes are silly and pointless) All the non-Star Wars stuff is needed for game mechanics. With that said, you are 100% right about jedi, if most players wanted one the Dev Teamshould have had the forsight to set the game around the clone wars.
might add this to my sig:
Smuggler one of the most prolific professions in Star Wars and the most ignored profession in Star Wars Galaxys. I'm a Smuggler and want to "live the greatest saga ever know, my own!"
jimmyjihad
Thu Aug 05, 2004 1:40 pm
#33
DRWolfe wrote:
The whole thing is VERY strage. I absolutely cannot imagine a reason for the total lack of regard for the Smuggler profession in the game and the Smuggler community in general. Large and small changes for a number of professions abound (Jedi, Bounty Hunters, Doctors, etc.) but not a single thing for this profession. Not even something as simple as adding text in a skill box. It is beyond my understanding, why this apathy towards this profession. Someone explain this to me.
The only explanation that I can come up with is that they have a clearly defined "creative vision" for the smuggler. One that cannot be put into place until JTL is released. I know it's a lame excuse, but it's the only thing I can think of short of complete apathy toward the players. In a way it makes sense, there is talk of smuggler only missions, maybe they don't want to modify skill boxes now that will just have to be changed again for JTL? Maybe they don't plan to revamp now because one JTL is out it will be clear how they intend to change the class.
I'm just trying to play devil's advocate in a logical fashion here.
It seems to me that they want smuggler to be a JTL profession. I hope they don't nerf our character abilities on land (I don't think they will make it worse, but they certainly are ignoring us), but personally I wouldn't mind being a JTL-centric smuggler. Afterall, we'd theoretically be doing all of our smuggling in ships anyway. I played the game at launch and only recently came back so I could have a character ready to go for JTL, so maybe I'm biased in favor of this course of action. I'll be happy if we're able to slice ship building components or even finished ships, i'll be happy if we get smuggler only "in ship abilities" (perhaps the ability to overcharge weapons or engines on demand?) and I'll be happy if we get interesting unique missions in JTL.
I agree that the devs need to THROW US A BONE and be clear about what they intend, and why they've been so silent. If they give an excuse remotely similar to what I outlined, I will personally be satisfied.
Golrok
Thu Aug 05, 2004 2:04 pm
#34
they did give us some attention in the last patch or 2!! They actually acknowledged us in a publish! Wenow mustremove a WUK from a crate before putting it to use! they also "fixed" lower spices. i feel the love dont you? FD is evenmore sketchy acting now than b4, takes an extra round, sometimes 2-3, to kickin,but thats ok, who really needs FD with our uber defense?!
on a serious note, bomb droids were fun, until my server stopped producing them.
DRWolfe
Thu Aug 05, 2004 2:23 pm
#35
Golrok wrote:they did give us some attention in the last patch or 2!! They actually acknowledged us in a publish! We now must remove a WUK from a crate before putting it to use! they also "fixed" lower spices. i feel the love dont you? FD is even more sketchy acting now than b4, takes an extra round, sometimes 2-3, to kick in, but thats ok, who really needs FD with our uber defense?!on a serious note, bomb droids were fun, until my server stopped producing them.
The WUK thing was a mistake. Nothing changed there. Don't know what you mean about the spice. Haven't had any problems with FD. Never used a bomb droid, and the Bounty Hunters got them too...
DRWolfe
Thu Aug 05, 2004 2:26 pm
#36
As for JTL, it's already been said many times that there is only combat there, no special smuggling or any other kind of missions, so no Smuggler content there, either.
The only Smuggler thing mentioned in the interview was that we can have a YT1300 and recreate the Han Solo thing. But everyone else can have a YT1300 as well.
They MAY be waiting until after JTL so they can add this stuff in the Revamp (whenever that will be, "sometime after JTL"), but they could at least acknowledge we exist and give us something until then. That new spice would have been great, but the Doctors needed even more cash I guess...
The only Smuggler thing mentioned in the interview was that we can have a YT1300 and recreate the Han Solo thing. But everyone else can have a YT1300 as well.
They MAY be waiting until after JTL so they can add this stuff in the Revamp (whenever that will be, "sometime after JTL"), but they could at least acknowledge we exist and give us something until then. That new spice would have been great, but the Doctors needed even more cash I guess...
Shrendyc
Thu Aug 05, 2004 3:30 pm
#37
Guys, its pretty evident that they don't have the slightest definitive clue as to where they want us to go. Greenmarine came in here on his own time to get some feedback on a few ideas. I will repeat that - ON HIS OWN TIME. That means that anything he is working on at work is not smuggler related, won't be smuggler related until he gets the green light from his superiors to work on us. Until then, anything else he does is NOT for us.
Not to mention, he was here for a while, then has vanished into thin air again (why things don't vanish into thick air puzzles me), and we had only scratched the surface about the things that need to occur to make our revamp a good one. We didn't touch 90% of what we're about as a smuggler. It will be a long time before our revamp hits, if ever.
So when JTL hits the shelves, look forward to being a pilot, and flying around blowing stuff up. That's what we will get as smugglers in JTL, and that is what everyone else gets. Sorry to be so blunt, but that is it. They ain't gonna give us a thing specifically.
WesBelden
Thu Aug 05, 2004 3:47 pm
#38
yimaz wrote:
Hey Caylin maybe you can relay to the Dev's that the Smuggler Community on a whole feels the Dev staff really has no desire to communicate with or help our profession in any way.This newaddition to the Doc profession sends that message to us loud and clear.
Yes Caylin, please do this and be clear to let them know that it's not the same as the general feeling from the rest of the community concerning the CR and GCW / JtL thing, but it's a specific Smuggler problem that we're overlooked, under loved and over stressed. Why I think this will make any change occur I don't know, but at least you'll have put the ball as firmly in their court as possible. God knows we've been hammering it further and further down their side, but they obviously need it wedged firmly up their ass before they're motivated to do anything.
As for not receiving a response over the Liik, my assumption is either
- Their only answer is "Yeh, we screwed you over on that one because it was faster and easier to implement to doctors", or
- Their only answer is "Oh.. er.. ahem, yeh, we forgot about that one... heh, sorry guys."
Neither of these are in anyway good and both show them in a bad light... hence the no answer. There could be another explanation, but I really can't think of one myself (and at this point seemingly, neither can they).
yimaz
Thu Aug 05, 2004 7:25 pm
#39
WesBelden wrote:
Yes Caylin, please do this and be clear to let them know that it's not the same as the general feeling from the rest of the community concerning the CR and GCW / JtL thing, but it's a specific Smuggler problem that we're overlooked, under loved and over stressed. Why I think this will make any change occur I don't know, but at least you'll have put the ball as firmly in their court as possible. God knows we've been hammering it further and further down their side, but they obviously need it wedged firmly up their ass before they're motivated to do anything.
LMAO Wes you kill me, really made me lol, thanks.