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ana-mo-cara wrote:

Not really depending on the multipliers used on the weapon. Some weapons can get quite high with multiplyers. If someone bleeds a llc dry on you odds are your armor has to be gone at that point.-Which is why we take our armor off.

You guys need to get your story straight on one hand you say that blackbarring and armor destruction is the price you are glad to pay? On the other other you complain about it.-We are keeping things straight. We don't mind so much that we get wounds, its that there's jerkwads releasing pentup anger from thier lives, who can only manage to spout obscenities because they don't get the satisfaction of killing you when you're at your weakest, and them at thier strongest. Many of these people won't actually go Overt untill they're fully buffed. Why? (Putting this station profanity filter friendly)Because thier wusses who won't risk losing two points on thier PvP rating because they won't be able to say its so big any more.

You are also the same people that scream about being tortured and pin blackbarred, but gloat about useing it to torment other players. Which is really retarded. Yes retarded if not hipocritical. On one hand you shame me for attacking a covert attacking my faction while said covert is out doing missions.-There is a difference betweenconsentual PvP, and non-consentual.Yet you guys are going around feighning people just to tick them off, because it is all a funny joke to you.-No, we feign to keep pricks from getting satisfaction from being bullies.Atleast the guy I ambush has a chance of killing me for all I know he could be a poison toating ranger and I am in for some pain.-Since when has *Ranger* been a PvP class?While you guys use the I win button laugh in your face tactic.-Its not an "I Win" button, its a "No Win" button.Which is the lower level. Being a smuggler does not mean a jerk.-I could make a comment here about who's the Smuggler and who's the jerk, but I'll let you figure that out. Here'sa hint, we're the Smugglers, and you're not.

You guys need to get your story straight, and decide are you a nice guy or a bad guy. If your a bad guy then lets not pretend your stuff smells better then mine. Ambushing another player actually takes effort as compared to a hot button hit. If your a good guy then why are you even bothering FD in the first damned place.-Its been stated overand over, perhaps this time you'll actually listen towhat we're saying.

By the way guys how freaking poor are some of you. Hard earned cash the smuggleing profession really requires alot of hard work. You take some generic resources and you make clamps knives, and buy wuks, and auks. Where does the hard earned come from.-Slicing, requires our constant attention,at all times. It is not something thatcan be macroedIf money is all that you love. Then gasp go run a faction mission.-No! You mean we can run missions? When'd they add that?They take less then two minutes.

One last thing some of you need to get some skill. My character is a master smuggler master weaponsmith, and yes I waste mountain squills.-Here's a cookie. Maybe only one at a time, but in all fairness thats when I am not buffed on brandy or on spice. If you cannot figure out how. Thats a sign that you lack talent.-I'm guessing you've also got Gunfighter. Create a character on a new server, make that character *only* a Smuggler. Then see what you can kill.

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Nicolas_Frost wrote:

If its not obvious: TROLL ALERT!

I'm just about willing to bet this guy's picturing us frothing at the mouth when we type our responces. I know I'm laughing my ass of at his idiocy.

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ana-mo-cara wrote:

One I am 26 Two I have played since july 2003 Three I am really a master smuggler. Awesome.

What you got to know about me I am not a pansy and really cannot stand people that are pansies.

So you're saying that just because Smugglers use a move that is exclusive to them, it makes them pansies? Come on, I see Rifleman spamming Strafe2 over and over again...but I bet that doesn't make THEM a pansy. Give me a break.

I was one of the first MBH on my server. For those that do not know that was back when mastering bh took months of near constant dedication for months. The llc was broken. The missions were broken. There were no buffs or super armor, and half the time the mission was bugged, which really sucked because you chased this guy down on foot for fourty minutes. Just to find that he was just gone or he became one with a wall in wayfar.

Everyone knows the background on BH at the beginning. Want to hear something that will knock your socks off? Smuggler hasn't changed almost ONE ***king IOTA since this game launched. Cry me a river.

My thoughts on pvp. This is pretty simple you consent to the chance of pvp at any time by joining a faction. You accept that you can be attacked at anytime.

If I'm covert, NO, I do NOT accept I can be attacked at any time.

You accept that if you are actively participateing in faction content you can get a tef. It is that simple pvp is not like sex. So stop useing the word consent.

Accept + Consent = SYNONYMS. Look it up.

People that play the game right are the people that will engage in pvp when the opportunity presents itself. The bonus of going around overt is that you can spot the enemy at a distance, and you can pvp when the opportunity presents itself. If you cannot handle the risks of pvp. Then you should leave your faction.

If we cannot handle the risks?! How about putting the shoe on the other foot: if my opponent can't stand me using FD to end a fight as a "no-win" situation, then HE needs to leave HIS faction.

You're a disgrace and your faction tag means absolutely nothing to you.

Um, yeah, because 90% of us Smugglers are stuck without a third faction, and this entire freakin' game is built around the GCW. One whole tree of ours becomes totally useless if we're neutral. I guarantee you that when there is a third faction, there will be a mass exodus of Smugglers from the GCW.

You're the kind of people the real faction players used to spit on. The kind of guys who would sit back and watch as a fellow faction member got beat down. PVP is the endgame in this game. If you do not understand this. Well lets just say you lack a pair, and should go play another game.

Well, it's good that I personally lack a pair...seeing as how I'm a lady. PvP is not the "end game" in SWG, as much as you might want it to be. I am an Imperial (and have been since August/Sept 03) and I have RARELY found the need to PvP. Why do that when you can make yourself so much more useful? I'm a scoundrelless, I make it my JOB (since we have no discerning content) to place myself in good with the opposing leaders. They give me info, I take the info. I'd much rather be a cunning spy than someone who needs to kill people to feel good about the size of their ***k. The GCW is fought on two fronts, and one is something you should NEVER be able to see, otherwise you're doing your job wrong. But you like senseless killing, so good for you, you make my job easier.

Picking on you poor things.

Trust me, if you think you're picking on US, you have issues.

Guess what you do not have to be a god mode to participate in pvp.

I don't want to be "a god mode," whatever that is. I know I don't have to be IN God Mode, but I'm a Smuggler first and foremost. And don't waste your patronizing here. It only makes me hate you more.

You might have a harder go of it, but get this I know this will burn a few of your brain cells.

I bet you're sticky all over getting ready to tell me what's next.

You pvp for fun. When you pvp with other players from your faction its fun.

And no one disagrees with you there. But it's when you PvP with players from the OPPOSITE faction is when it's business. There are guilds on my server that would eat you alive (much less accept you into the guild) because you view PvP as "fun." Yeah, it's great to have a duel or a friendly fight with the other side, but let me tell you, when a base raid is going down, it's serious, because that's one side's hard-earned faction/money. If you can honestly tell me that the GCW doesn't mean anything to you, be neutral.

Everyone has some fun. Thats why you collect faction points to spend them on haveing fun.

When a person's faction points are destroyed when their base gets blown up, I don't exactly think it's fun for them...just my opinion. If you spend your FP on furniture and toys like ST armor or Rebellion stuff, which I have a sneaking suspicion that you do, then sure it's fun.

I will tell you what we used to tell chef marksman. Every little bit helps. Sadly alot of noobs are totally ignorant to how exactly it was. We pvped, and when we got ambushed it was in good fun, and when we ambushed it was all in good fun. When we raided a city we waited with bated breath for the huge counterattack to push us out. Its not about winning and losing. Its about enjoying the danger, and pretending to actually help your side.

I don't know about you, but I don't PRETEND to help my side when there's a fight. I actually help them.

Yes people are useing the FD button as an I win button. There should be no move in the game that gives another player a guaranteed win. FKD was crippled long ago because of this. Yes your winning by denying the other player any satisfaction. He shoots you once you play dead. Your useing it as an I win button, and odds are your going to manage to get it nerfed in the near future.

It's not going to get nerfed....and the only people abusing it are Jedi and BHs. It's OUR move...don't you understand that? We can use it however we like. If someone shoots me once, I don't panic and hit FD. If I'm about to die and don't feel like cloning, I'll hit FD. It isn't getting nerfed, but chances are it WILL be improved to disallow Jedi and BHs from abusing it, by means of mods sprinkled through the Smuggler trees or otherwise.

It's a "no-win" button. Honestly, do you even read what people are saying to you? How thick can you be?

PS the trick to takeing out a mountain squill is haveing a good dh17 or a decent fwg. You hit the healthshot, and then BR, as long as you can keep him at a distance you will polish him off. Seeing as smuggler has no skill mods, and I am useing healthshot 1, and no smuggler moves thats actually a pistols 4 skill. Ranged fighters need to gasp rely on stance range, and moveing around alot to take down targets. If your standing your ground your going to get eaten up alot more. I see no reason myself to go get buffed to tend to harvesters or run a factory, or to go from point a to point b. So I am usually unarmored. Plus I am not even carrying enhancements on my person they take up space I need for resources components and crates of weapons.

Thanks for the tip. I'll remember that the next time I need to take out a mountain squill, especially that part about burst running away from him to keep him away from you. What was that you said about dying with a pair? /scoff

You guys need to stop being so soft.

And you need to stop being so stupid.

/tiphat

Have a nice day.

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ana-mo-cara wrote:

What a load of it. I do not accept pvp. Go play a sesame street game.

Do you have any idea who you're speaking out of line to? I have no respect for someone with a post count of 130, most of which is meaningless rabble.

PVP is in the game for a reason. So is overt targetting tef covert. Faction missions give a double bonus you get credits, and you get faction points. That comes at the price that you might get killed. The greater the danger the greater the reward.

PvP is in the game for a reason...so is RP...are you that blind to a completelydifferent side of the game?

Riflemen with strafe 2 hell yeah I agree. There are alot of broken combat mechanics in the game. Super fast riflemen are one of them. The supercomposite armor protecting the riflemen from getting counter brain damaged is another. Lets not take the devils example as our own, and do not kid yourself smuggler can so get its move FD nerfed. The devs have shown in the past that they can swing the nerfing hammer with reckless abandon. They have literally nerfed professions crippled. I will give you an example of how bad a hit a move can take.

Nerfed to Jedi and BH isn't necessarily being nerfed to us. If I see FD changed where it's sprinkled as a skill modifier through all of the Smuggler Trees, I'd be happy as a clam, because then BHs and Jedi couldn't abuse it.

My BH has this move called Fire Knockdown. Now this move actually used to know other players down. Infact it was perfect one hundred percent you would knock another player down and keep them there. Especially if you got a good dizzy going. Then the people screamed in outrage, and the devs swung the nerfing hammer, and the move was destroyed. It has a one in twenty chance of working and eats a huge chunk of ham. In other words its totally useless, and you have to be in to self abuse to use it. In doing this the devs further managed to destroy all value in this branch until you get up to master and get the sprayshot.

You have an awfully special place in your tiny heart for BHs....in fact, all we ever hear about is your BH. Why don't you go play with the big boys over in the BH forum? I'm sure they'd love to hear about your fibonacci sequence, and how big your "pair" is.

You need a reality check and realize that you have a chance of defeating a riflemen what chance do you have of beating someone who plays dead.

Exactly...there is no chance of beating someone who plays dead, that's the POINT. Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding! Winner!!!!!!

P.S. What is this load you need to be in a faction with a smuggler. What faction content is smuggler really getting. Buying faction points. Sliceing base terminals? Explain this one to me. Both factions are pretty lax on content right now.

I didn't say you NEEDED to be in a faction, I said (again, you must be pretty frustrated to disable your ability to read) that one whole tree in our profession is useless if you're not in a faction. Sweet methuselah of the sea, you're a piece of work. I highly doubt you're 26, 16 is more likely. Anyone that plays this game solely to see who has a bigger pair of cajones (which seems to be true in this case) can't be an adult.

If you want a game that revolves SOLELY around PvP, go play WoW.

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ana-mo-cara wrote:

One your a smuggler you can actually buy faction points anyway.

Two is this really a pvp template to begin with so why care about ranking if you did you would be something horrible like tka or cm

Three pvp is so uncommon in the game now. That when you FD on another player odds are they will get ticked and mess you up for the FD.

Four remember you must insure the first time to get no decay from pvp. Once you insure you do not have to reinsure for pvp death. Odds are you fought a critter, and died then forgot to reinsure. If you do not reinsure yes items will decay, but you only need to insure once and you can die a hundred times with no decay.

Five roleplaying in the game is a joke at this point.

Six you want roleplay danger do what everyone else used to do be a hit and run artist. Raid a city solo, or ambush another player doing a npcmission. Your blood will be boiling playing hide and seek from vengeance minded players.

Seven lying on the ground for an hour is a waste of time. Time better used doing something constructive.

Eight being overt is saying you are willing and looking for pvp. Playing dead on someone that accepts. Maybe even went overt to fight you is really a sick joke.

Nine with smuggler eating up so many of your points odds are you will be toast in pvp anyway.

Ten if more smugglers stood up to a fight, and then FD most players would be more understanding. As it is now most smugglers follow the adage feighn now feighn then feighn always, and feighn some more because its funny.

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1. Try doing some Real PvP not jsut 1 on 1 or 2 on 2 before you start talking about things you obviously dont know much about.

2. You can only by 500 FP at a time. not liek that matters but its not "That Easy" once you have the 500 you have to dump all FP to buy another 500.

3. You can still get Decay even if Insured form PVP. It depnds on what is used on you. I have noticed that a CM tossing poison on you while FD or jsut in general will cause decay while most other clases wont. There are bugs with the Decay and it will still cause decay in some instances if you clone.

4. Not really a Waste of time for me to lay on the ground. 2 things happen. I Annoy the attacker to the point they leave and prob not mess with me again, 2 I log on my other character and start playing them while wiating to come out of FD.

5. You can be made overt with no intrest in PvP by scans and Searches by ST's had it happen 3 times in teh last week. Unbuffed and get nailed and then have to find a way to make it back to a recruter and then hav eto wait a hour going covert again. yea that doesnt hider game play at all...... I know there are Doctors lined up outside the Starport jstu begging to Buff Overts.

6. "Nine with smuggler eating up so many of your points odds are you will be toast in pvp anyway." Looks liek someone hit you with the "Duh" stick. No Sh|t your not notmally haveing a PvP template. Hence the FD. You answered your own questions on this one.

7. "Ten if more smugglers stood up to a fight, and then FD most players would be more understanding. As it is now most smugglers follow the adage feighn now feighn then feighn always, and feighn some more because its funny."

Yea and if BH didnt spam eye shot and Rifleman didnt spam Head shot 3 and Fencers didnt spame Scalp slam or whatever then most of the time I woudlnt need to FD. but like they have a Spamming skill that takes no skill to use then why shouldnt I fd and have a advantage over spammers.

I am beging to think you dont really know too much about Smugglers.

p.s. lets not even start talking about how I will FD let the Enemy get all lax and break up if there is more then one and then FoW and get up and kick the guy that stuck around to grief my azz. or when in a group If i get hit bad that I can FD and let the doc get to me when he has a chance instead of taking a heal away from a true Tank.

Message Edited by Delroh on 01-12-2005 11:59 AM

History of Smugglers in SWG
Bankie Snu'gins-Elder Jedi Council Member of the SHJO
Toke'n Snu'gins - Master Shipwright, Owner of Up In Smoke Starships
Brodee Snu'gins - Master Smuggler/Pilot for the Hutts
Vendor Dropoff Waypoint -1342 -1238 Outside Safe Haven Corellia.
"A Friend will help you move, A Real Friend Will Help You Move a Body......." "Everyone needs a little Bankie now and then." -Patricia Silverfox "Cause There's Good Deeds, and there is good Intention. They're as far appart as Heaven and Hell" -Ben Harper "Ground on Down"

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ana-mo-cara wrote:

One your a smuggler you can actually buy faction points anyway. Um, yeah, but did you ever think that faction points cost CREDITS? Now, I don't speak for everyone, but I'm not spending my hard-earned weekly scratch on faction points.

Two is this really a pvp template to begin with so why care about ranking if you did you would be something horrible like tka or cm When the hell did Smuggler become a PvP template? And ranking is the stupidest thing the developers could have ever come up with to make PvP "cooler" or whatever. All they did was encourage the power-players and griefers to get into a bigger d*ck-swinging contest than before.

Three pvp is so uncommon in the game now. That when you FD on another player odds are they will get ticked and mess you up for the FD. The point of FD is NOT to make your foe smile and think, "Gee, why didn't I think of that? Brilliant!" It's to piss off your opponent because they can't DB you. Yep, we get black-barred...but we don't die. Black-barring someone doesn't award them faction points...and when you're about to argue we can buy them, please refer back to my first statement.

Four remember you must insure the first time to get no decay from pvp. Once you insure you do not have to reinsure for pvp death. Odds are you fought a critter, and died then forgot to reinsure. If you do not reinsure yes items will decay, but you only need to insure once and you can die a hundred times with no decay.

Five roleplaying in the game is a joke at this point. Yeah, well blame that on the devs for allowing Jedi to roam around en masse during a period in which there aren't supposed to BE any.

Six you want roleplay danger do what everyone else used to do be a hit and run artist. Raid a city solo, or ambush another player doing a npcmission. Your blood will be boiling playing hide and seek from vengeance minded players. Raid a city solo...because we SO have the most uber template for combat in game. /rolleyes

Seven lying on the ground for an hour is a waste of time. Time better used doing something constructive. Yep, I watched an entire episode of Desperate Housewives last night while I was FD. VERY contsructive!

Eight being overt is saying you are willing and looking for pvp. Playing dead on someone that accepts. Maybe even went overt to fight you is really a sick joke. You don't accept PvP, you accept a duel. PvP just happens after you go overt. Honestly, I think most smugglers go overt for two reasons: 1. Base raid, or 2. Boredom. Playing dead on someone that is beating the crap out of you is a nice little reminder that no matter how black our bar is, they still can't kill us. It's a nice sense of satisfaction that if I can barely kill a gnort (much less another player,) I can play dead and keep them from gaining the ultimate satisfaction of killing me.

Nine with smuggler eating up so many of your points odds are you will be toast in pvp anyway. Exactly, and you'retelling us not 10 lines earlier to go on a solo raid.

Ten if more smugglers stood up to a fight, and then FD most players would be more understanding. As it is now most smugglers follow the adage feighn now feighn then feighn always, and feighn some more because its funny. I think smugglers really only feignif they're in trouble. We like a fight, just like anyone else. But we are also granted the ability to not die, at the cost of getting black-barred. Give and take, that's what it is.

"feighn" ..... and you call yourself a smuggler. Go somewhere else with your mathematical theorems (straight out of the Da Vinci Code) and thie nonsense you think is a valid argument. /scoff

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History of Smugglers in SWG
Bankie Snu'gins-Elder Jedi Council Member of the SHJO
Toke'n Snu'gins - Master Shipwright, Owner of Up In Smoke Starships
Brodee Snu'gins - Master Smuggler/Pilot for the Hutts
Vendor Dropoff Waypoint -1342 -1238 Outside Safe Haven Corellia.
"A Friend will help you move, A Real Friend Will Help You Move a Body......." "Everyone needs a little Bankie now and then." -Patricia Silverfox "Cause There's Good Deeds, and there is good Intention. They're as far appart as Heaven and Hell" -Ben Harper "Ground on Down"

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Smuggler_Caylin wrote:
It's not a part of feign death that your armor was depleted. Armor condition goes down because they were beating the bejesus out of you *while* you were feigned.

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Delroh wrote:

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ana-mo-cara wrote:

One your a smuggler you can actually buy faction points anyway. Um, yeah, but did you ever think that faction points cost CREDITS? Now, I don't speak for everyone, but I'm not spending my hard-earned weekly scratch on faction points.

Two is this really a pvp template to begin with so why care about ranking if you did you would be something horrible like tka or cm When the hell did Smuggler become a PvP template? And ranking is the stupidest thing the developers could have ever come up with to make PvP "cooler" or whatever. All they did was encourage the power-players and griefers to get into a bigger d*ck-swinging contest than before.

Three pvp is so uncommon in the game now. That when you FD on another player odds are they will get ticked and mess you up for the FD. The point of FD is NOT to make your foe smile and think, "Gee, why didn't I think of that? Brilliant!" It's to piss off your opponent because they can't DB you. Yep, we get black-barred...but we don't die. Black-barring someone doesn't award them faction points...and when you're about to argue we can buy them, please refer back to my first statement.

Four remember you must insure the first time to get no decay from pvp. Once you insure you do not have to reinsure for pvp death. Odds are you fought a critter, and died then forgot to reinsure. If you do not reinsure yes items will decay, but you only need to insure once and you can die a hundred times with no decay.

Five roleplaying in the game is a joke at this point. Yeah, well blame that on the devs for allowing Jedi to roam around en masse during a period in which there aren't supposed to BE any.

Six you want roleplay danger do what everyone else used to do be a hit and run artist. Raid a city solo, or ambush another player doing a npc mission. Your blood will be boiling playing hide and seek from vengeance minded players. Raid a city solo...because we SO have the most uber template for combat in game. /rolleyes

Seven lying on the ground for an hour is a waste of time. Time better used doing something constructive. Yep, I watched an entire episode of Desperate Housewives last night while I was FD. VERY contsructive!

Eight being overt is saying you are willing and looking for pvp. Playing dead on someone that accepts. Maybe even went overt to fight you is really a sick joke. You don't accept PvP, you accept a duel. PvP just happens after you go overt. Honestly, I think most smugglers go overt for two reasons: 1. Base raid, or 2. Boredom. Playing dead on someone that is beating the crap out of you is a nice little reminder that no matter how black our bar is, they still can't kill us. It's a nice sense of satisfaction that if I can barely kill a gnort (much less another player,) I can play dead and keep them from gaining the ultimate satisfaction of killing me.

Nine with smuggler eating up so many of your points odds are you will be toast in pvp anyway. Exactly, and you're telling us not 10 lines earlier to go on a solo raid.

Ten if more smugglers stood up to a fight, and then FD most players would be more understanding. As it is now most smugglers follow the adage feighn now feighn then feighn always, and feighn some more because its funny. I think smugglers really only feign if they're in trouble. We like a fight, just like anyone else. But we are also granted the ability to not die, at the cost of getting black-barred. Give and take, that's what it is.

"feighn" ..... and you call yourself a smuggler. Go somewhere else with your mathematical theorems (straight out of the Da Vinci Code) and thie nonsense you think is a valid argument. /scoff

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You are my New Goddess....You mind if i worship at your feet? I espec love the Desperate Housewives line hehehe.

This Bothan is now yours to command. =P

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