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Kelko
Wed Oct 06, 2004 5:19 pm
#27
I understand you points, however for me it's not so much that the Jedi got fixed before Smuggler or this profession got fixed before that. For me it is the fact that they decided to develop a new expansion before fixing the current game regardless of which professions arebroken. It's also the fact that they stated that they would fix it by a certain time and still have not. As I stated in my earlier reply I pay for them to fix and improve SWG not develop an expansion.
KillgoreFirewater wrote:
I don't know...I may have to play Devil's advocate on this issue.
Okay, they couldn't deliver on release dates. They said they'd release something at a certain point of time and changed it. Is it bad? Yes, but as far as software goes this isn't something new, this is standard operating procedure. Companies in the past have also promised patches at a certain date and pushed the release back. Does it make it any different if it's not an MMO? You've still paid for the product in a sense. Listen, I'm as pissed as anyone at the attetion Jedis have gotten recently, but it's not a "new profession". People can argue that the original path to Jedi was broken, so they "fixed" it, and then they spent considerable time afterwards fixing what was broken from the overhaul. It's hard to please everyone at once, if they immediately jumped to please us and left Jedi borked then the Jedi community would be standing outside SOE holding torches right now, and right now the "Force Sensitive" community is probably considerably larger than the Smuggler community. And while yes, we feel we're being jerked around, they're paying customers as well. Now what has SOE as a whole promised for your $15/mo? To provide an online experience...yada yada yada. Yes, they've said you can choose your own profession but where in the original documents, the ones you read when you purchase the game, and when you sign up with your credit card (or game card), does it say that a smuggler should do exactly what's said in the revamp? Believe me, I'd like to see SOE get a kick in the pants to move on the revamp as much as you guys....but the legalities of it is pretty well covered IMO. They've made promises yes, but have they deviated from the gameplay promises made on the original purchase? The ones on the box, in the manual, on the games official site? The promises the devs have made, it's nothing official, it's a bunch of customer service bull produced by lackeys meant to try and quell an angry mob. If you've ever worked in customer service chances are you may have done it at a point too. Nothing legal was produced, unless I'm wrong. If you want to go ahead and complain to the BBB then go ahead. No one is going to stop you, and I'm not criticizing you for doing so like others. You are 100% free to do so. But I hope you're not expecting anything to come of it. And be warned, SOE has cancelled accounts in the past, not neccessarily from this game, for less. They have a history. Have you read the liscense ageement in full?
Kelko
Wed Oct 06, 2004 5:29 pm
#28
FlyinDuke wrote:
Yeah, after reading everyones comments on mine, it does loko like I rediculously went out of line, and for that I am sorry
But I still don't think a BBB report should have been filed because of the DEV promise of the revamp. I can see it for the bad CSR, which is completely different. but as said above by killgore, it is not something set in stone. If it was, for example, it would have been moved from "In Concept" to "In development" with a list of what is to come. Right now all we can go by is what is in forums, and they have no reason to follow exactly what is said here.
To quote killgore again in a sense, you are paying $15/month for what is on the box and in the book, not whats on the forums.
Zarrn, in your post you say I haven't been waiting around for a revamp for a year +3 months, thats true I haven't, I started as a Droid Engineer, waited for that revamp, and right before it happened, I decided to go Smuggler and wait for this revamp. It sucked getting to MasterDE and realizing nothing really good came out of it except that you could make medical droids for people. I read these forums, to me they aren't promises, because nothing is definite until it is on the website.
Slick, I don't think it was stupid of me to say "if you don't want to wait, cancel your accout..." because it is true. If you are willing to wait for a revamp, and want to support it, by all means. If you don't want to wait, and don't want to do anything else in the game, cancel. You are under no obligation to stay, start paying again when the revamp comes.
Nerj, no where did I say devs weren't pulled, I know they were pulled, the product isn't defective, it works. The missing presence of a revamp is not considered defective, I don't think he is being pulled on purpose, I think they just don't have any better option.
Shrendyc and Killgore, thank you for actually spending time to write out a response, rather than quote and attack.
Thank you for not responding to flames with flames.
I think the point a lot of us are trying to make is not that there needs to be a definitive date to the revamp or smuggler fix, it's the fact that we pay our money to have the current game (SWG) working in a way that we were told it should work and not to have them develop an expansion while they themselves admitted that a lot of the current game is "broken". And as far as the "paying for what is on the box and in the book" isn't even accurate as alot of what has been published on the box and in the book has changed, and not for the better in most instances. If I go by what is on the box and in the book, then the Jedi shoul;d still be subject to permadeath.
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