Smuggler Archive
Thread: Smuggler missions and why we need them?
Chemistrius
Fri Aug 12, 2005 10:53 am
#27
ScahtRunningstar wrote:
So basically the smuggler revamp has never been worked on at all.
Enlightenment hurts doesn't it.
Ramsey_Lanclo
Fri Aug 12, 2005 10:54 am
#28
JFreeman wrote:
Nezodon wrote:
The Combat Upgrade itself was a change to the Smuggler profession, and the recent slicing changes was another.
The CU was _indeed_ a major (and welcome) change to our beloved profession.
The recent slicing changes are BS:
*The only way to slice is to have uber loot that now it seems only BH's can acquire solo.
*The cost of these loot parts makes slicing completely overpriced for most players.
*The actual slices are bugged (weapon damage caps, critical hit chance not working) and so low that the slice is barely worth the time, much less the cost.
The slicing changes need a revamp.
What happened to spices being part of the smuggling system? What happened to "Smuggler Visability" if we failed to complete a smuggler mission or skimmed too much off the cargo?
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE REVAMP WE'VE BEEN PROMISED OVER AND OVER AGAIN FOR TWO YEARS!!!!!!!????????
magnum1138
Fri Aug 12, 2005 10:57 am
#29
Oh my god, kill me now, please.
(GOOD POINT COMING UP, BTW)
IS THERE MORE TO IT THAN THAT???
What kind of game do you think you have here?
Is interdependency gone, totally out of the design. Don't you see anymore what makes (made) this game so greta in theory.
If you stick a terminal up with delivery Mission keep them.
IF YOU (here is the point) THINK ABOUT SMUGLING AS IMPROVING JUST ONE PROFESSION YOU HAVE LOST ALL ORIGINALITY.
SMUGLER MISSIONS DONE RIGHT.
Smuggler COntent
BH CONtent
Space Content
Crafter Content
CGW Content
(sorry little jedi content)
In short if you do it right it will touch many professions and enhance things for many more people then just smugglers.
How can you be so dead wrong.
Han solo was a smuggler - damn it - star wars remember that. It's just as important as Jedi.
You are totally out of touch not only with us, but with the game, with creativity, with star wars.
You lost it. YOu totallly lost it. You absolutly don't deserve to be here, or near anything that needs creativity.
How can you....
Just go
Magnum
(GOOD POINT COMING UP, BTW)
IS THERE MORE TO IT THAN THAT???
What kind of game do you think you have here?
Is interdependency gone, totally out of the design. Don't you see anymore what makes (made) this game so greta in theory.
If you stick a terminal up with delivery Mission keep them.
IF YOU (here is the point) THINK ABOUT SMUGLING AS IMPROVING JUST ONE PROFESSION YOU HAVE LOST ALL ORIGINALITY.
SMUGLER MISSIONS DONE RIGHT.
Smuggler COntent
BH CONtent
Space Content
Crafter Content
CGW Content
(sorry little jedi content)
In short if you do it right it will touch many professions and enhance things for many more people then just smugglers.
How can you be so dead wrong.
Han solo was a smuggler - damn it - star wars remember that. It's just as important as Jedi.
You are totally out of touch not only with us, but with the game, with creativity, with star wars.
You lost it. YOu totallly lost it. You absolutly don't deserve to be here, or near anything that needs creativity.
How can you....
Just go
Magnum
SmugglinZane
Fri Aug 12, 2005 10:58 am
#30
Another note JFreeman, since others are bringing it up. Is it possible to actually tell us what went wrong in the past, including the most recent situation.
We did have a couple very trusted members of this community get told that the smuggling missions were near completion. Is that all gone now? What happened to it? Was that person blowing smoke up our... ?
I'm glad you're discussing it, but many of the old timers here would like to know what the heck happened to date so that we know it's not been stall tactics all along.
Gen00b
Fri Aug 12, 2005 10:59 am
#31
What happened to GreenMarine anyway, I thought he was responsible for those In Concepts posted some time ago.
gassygunslinger
Fri Aug 12, 2005 10:59 am
#32
JFreeman wrote:
I don't think we're viewing things all that differently. As I said, we agree you need smuggling missions.
SmugglinZane wrote:
I appreciate you coming, but we still have a problem with how you view things versus how we view things.
I don't see that as a "profession revamp", though. I see that more as "Adding a smuggling mission system so that smugglers can, somehow, smuggle."
Is that how you see it, or is there more to it than that?
Yep, once again... I'm behind everyone else...
Ahem, anyways, what you say here is exactly right... We really are looking to be able to SMUGGLE, as our primary concern... But it just boggles me how hard it would be to add this is!!! With the time it takes to make all these quests you guys are making, wouldn't it not be very time consuming to give us at least SOMETHING? We already have all the elements in terms of moves to give us some interesting missions... We just need a purpose to have to get away to SOMEPLACE by means of a mission, to utilize them how they should. But could you at least keep us up to date at what you are thinking about adding, even if it isn't definate? If you continue to leave us in the dark, we will continue to feel ignored, and people will continue to quit. Even if you don't add it in, it will still let us know it is being worked on.
KaShem
Fri Aug 12, 2005 10:59 am
#33
QFE
magnum1138 wrote:
Oh my god, kill me now, please.
(GOOD POINT COMING UP, BTW)
IS THERE MORE TO IT THAN THAT???
What kind of game do you think you have here?
Is interdependency gone, totally out of the design. Don't you see anymore what makes (made) this game so greta in theory.
If you stick a terminal up with delivery Mission keep them.
IF YOU (here is the point) THINK ABOUT SMUGLING AS IMPROVING JUST ONE PROFESSION YOU HAVE LOST ALL ORIGINALITY.
SMUGLER MISSIONS DONE RIGHT.
Smuggler COntent
BH CONtent
Space Content
Crafter Content
CGW Content
(sorry little jedi content)
In short if you do it right it will touch many professions and enhance things for many more people then just smugglers.
How can you be so dead wrong.
Han solo was a smuggler - damn it - star wars remember that. It's just as important as Jedi.
You are totally out of touch not only with us, but with the game, with creativity, with star wars.
You lost it. YOu totallly lost it. You absolutly don't deserve to be here, or near anything that needs creativity.
How can you....
Just go
Magnum
GanymedePharuu
Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:01 am
#34
if everyone would stop yelling we might be able to get something accomplished here.
JFreeman, you said "In the same way that Bounty Hunters have a systems-driven source of activity, we've got to look at ways of systemically delivering "smuggler missions" to you.
But I still can't give any details as to when we could deliver this or how it might work.
i would like to ask, what about the "In Concept" Smuggling missions thread that was up for a good part of 2005?
those outlined a plan that would seem to do exactly what you are talking about here in this thread
JFreeman, you said "In the same way that Bounty Hunters have a systems-driven source of activity, we've got to look at ways of systemically delivering "smuggler missions" to you.
But I still can't give any details as to when we could deliver this or how it might work.
i would like to ask, what about the "In Concept" Smuggling missions thread that was up for a good part of 2005?
those outlined a plan that would seem to do exactly what you are talking about here in this thread
tralita_tusnami
Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:02 am
#35
JFreeman,
THANK YOU.
You have done what no OTHER dev sence greenmarine has done and thats told the truth. We very much appreciate THE TRUTH. As it saddens me to hear that a full blown revamp is not possable, we have heard this before. Thank you for coming in here and actauly telling us what was going on, no matter how much we dont want to hear it. We would love to give you a list of ideas, if you would be so nice as to at least ummmm TRY to avoid throwing them all away, and actualy immplament them in some way or form.
Some of us realize that after 2 years of growth that SWG is have negative population growth, more people are leaving than coming in. This is very unfortunate, I for one have been here for 2 years, and do not see the treatment that the give to us devs as the cause for this. But i believe it is because of JEDI... MOST PEOPLE I KNOW IN GAME DONT WANT TO BE A JEDI IF IT MEANS WHEN THEY PLAY NON JEDI CHARACTERS THAT THEY WONT HAVE FUN. The massave population growth of the Jedi is outragous, it is practicaly scaralage distroying the very essence of the this STAR WARS game and turning it in to starwarsy.
I wont go on about this but thank you forposting here in the smuggler forums, I cant speek for everyone else, but I do appreciate being heard, and accnoledged as alive.
thanks
gassygunslinger
Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:05 am
#36
GanymedePharuu wrote:
if everyone would stop yelling we might be able to get something accomplished here.
Yeah, don't you people know that yelling scares off people with red names?
The devs said earlier that they won't tolerate this kind of stuff... Maybe if we tread him nicely we will get answers to why so many ideas weere trashed.
EDIT: Wow! I can't spell! For the record, I spat out this message quickly to avoid being left in the dust after another JFreeman post... Anyone else here frantically pressing refresh every 3 seconds???
Message Edited by gassygunslinger on 08-12-2005 11:07 AM
Mentski
Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:08 am
#37
JFreeman wrote:
I don't think we're viewing things all that differently. As I said, we agree you need smuggling missions.
SmugglinZane wrote:
I appreciate you coming, but we still have a problem with how you view things versus how we view things.
I don't see that as a "profession revamp", though. I see that more as "Adding a smuggling mission system so that smugglers can, somehow, smuggle."
Is that how you see it, or is there more to it than that?
Oh by golly theres more to it than that, J.
let's start with the most glaring problem, in the simplest of terms...
THE CURRENT LAW/CONTRABAND SYSTEM IN THE GAME IS A JOKE.
Before ANYTHING should be done, that really needs a-fixing, man.
No-one is ever going to be happy with a bunch of random missions, not unlike current delivery missions, that you just "happen" to be a Smuggler to do. We need a law to avoid. We need SKILLS to avoid them, not just that native skill to avoid a contraband check, but skills we can use to negate the chance of EVER being noticed in the first place, stealth.Skills that can be used in other parts of the game to help other players. Ways to mask hostility, etc, ways for us to smuggle not only items, but people, other players.
Ever seen the game "Elite" or any of its sequals? Each planet would have a list of items that were illegal to bring into the planet, we need those type of lists in the game. Yes, I'm sure that would take some big database overhaul but you really should of thought of that shouldn't you? Anything else is tame in comparision. Risk/Reward, Law/Punishment....Stop pandering to the people that want things so easy, man.
Some of this stuff should be in the core systems... applicable to everyone. A reason to be a Smuggler, areason to NEED a Smuggler.
Then you can put some missions in.
Message Edited by Mentski on 08-12-2005 07:16 PM
Dromag67
Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:08 am
#38
You smugglers pounce like h3ll, and I thought we were bad when all of our BH content was broken and bugged for a year.
/roll eyes
Message Edited by Dromag67 on 08-12-2005 02:08 PM
GanymedePharuu
Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:10 am
#39
gassygunslinger wrote:
GanymedePharuu wrote:
if everyone would stop yelling we might be able to get something accomplished here.
Yeah, don't you people know that yelling scares off people with red names?The devs said earlier that they won't tolerate this kind of stuff... Maybe if we tread him nicely we will get answers to why so many ideas weere trashed.EDIT: Wow! I can't spell! For the record, I spat out this message quickly to avoid being left in the dust after another JFreeman post... Anyone else here frantically pressing refresh every 3 seconds???Message Edited by gassygunslinger on 08-12-2005 11:07 AM
haha i'm pressing refresh a whole lot.
i didn't say we have to be nice. we just can't be yelling "OMG! U PROMISE DUS A REVAMP!"
i just want JFreeman to make the connection from his statement
"In the same way that Bounty Hunters have a systems-driven source of activity, we've got to look at ways of systemically delivering "smuggler missions" to you.
But I still can't give any details as to when we could deliver this or how it might work."
and the "In Concept" Smuggling missions thread that was up for over 5 months this year, and then mysteriously disappeared.