Smuggler Archive
Thread: HoC SWG Chat log
AudioOrgana wrote:
WesBelden wrote:
Anyway, thanks to Tiggs for popping in; one of the things I know Tiggs is very big on is not saying anything on a development issue unless she is extremely sure what she says is accurate, so I'm intrigued to find out what she's referring to about a Smuggler upgrade. Here's hoping Tiggs manages to tell us what she's referring to.
Which is very odd, since an ACTUAL Dev posted recently that an overall upgrade wouldn't happen.
Either Tiggs missed the memo, or there is new information.
In either case, I'll believe it not only when it makes it to the patch notes, but when I'm actually playing it in game. We've had over two years of lies about it; yes, lies - you can only pull the "development needs change" card so many times before you either should be let go because you have horrible time/project management skills or because you outright lied about something you never had on the plate.
It's amazing what people get away with in the game industry...
AO
I just heared the monster waffle just chewed through 5 police cars. The mayor of Berlin is requesting help from the bakerys to fight the menace.
Well I wish there would be more activity on the "In Concept" bord, but on the other hand, would have the devs rather working on the game, then writing about working on the game. Also I wondering if I would, being in ther eposition, keep telling us things, that are not at least in testing.
As for the HoC Dev-Chat, it surely was a waste of the devs and pur time, there was almost no information and I allread knew how the would use many words to express nothing, when the question was asked -I for my part would only do such a dev chatif I actually would be willing to give answers. A little partfor definitions here:to me an answer, is putting an end to a particular question, through knowledge. The "answers" on the HoC were more like a constant reciting of... you will find out someday. It is the flair of politics on the dev side, thatcreates the imprssion of lies.
Oh and Tiggs is doing a fine jobhere, as is TH they are getting payed for this, yes - still they are not our punchingballs.
AudioOrgana wrote:
WesBelden wrote:
Anyway, thanks to Tiggs for popping in; one of the things I know Tiggs is very big on is not saying anything on a development issue unless she is extremely sure what she says is accurate, so I'm intrigued to find out what she's referring to about a Smuggler upgrade. Here's hoping Tiggs manages to tell us what she's referring to.
Which is very odd, since an ACTUAL Dev posted recently that an overall upgrade wouldn't happen.
Either Tiggs missed the memo, or there is new information.
In either case, I'll believe it not only when it makes it to the patch notes, but when I'm actually playing it in game. We've had over two years of lies about it; yes, lies - you can only pull the "development needs change" card so many times before you either should be let go because you have horrible time/project management skills or because you outright lied about something you never had on the plate.
It's amazing what people get away with in the game industry...
AO
No, you're misquoting. He didn't say it wasn't going to happen, he said he wouldn't promise somthing that he wasn't sure would happen.
world of difference.
Ihareo wrote:
AudioOrgana wrote:
Which is very odd, since an ACTUAL Dev posted recently that an overall upgrade wouldn't happen. Either Tiggs missed the memo, or there is new information. In either case, I'll believe it not only when it makes it to the patch notes, but when I'm actually playing it in game. We've had over two years of lies about it; yes, lies - you can only pull the "development needs change" card so many times before you either should be let go because you have horrible time/project management skills or because you outright lied about something you never had on the plate. It's amazing what people get away with in the game industry... AO
WesBelden wrote: Anyway, thanks to Tiggs for popping in; one of the things I know Tiggs is very big on is not saying anything on a development issue unless she is extremely sure what she says is accurate, so I'm intrigued to find out what she's referring to about a Smuggler upgrade. Here's hoping Tiggs manages to tell us what she's referring to.
No, you're misquoting. He didn't say it wasn't going to happen, he said he wouldn't promise somthing that he wasn't sure would happen.
world of difference.
JFreeman wrote:
I can say that we can't really give any specifics about our plans, other than we plan to stop promising a smuggler revamp that we never seem to get around to delivering.
It's very unlikely we'd ever do a full profession revamp for smugglers anyway.
Tiggs wrote:
Sometimes changes need to go in that the team feels will help the games long term goals even if the community doesn't agree.
This is an important point, and I understand that a good many thing we see and hate one piece at a time,may actually make sense when you have the larger view.
If SOE would give us an idea where they plan to take us and where the issues lie, even if it's only the broad strokes with no timeline, the pieces might make more sense as they fall into place.
Tiggs wrote:
Landlubber wrote:
Tiggs wrote:
Regarding the Smuggler upgrade it will come.
Whoa... am I the only one who's had a serious deja vu feeling right now?
The point is, we heard it all before, but when are you (meaning SOE, not you personally Tiggs) going to deliver? That's the problem, you see: we've had so many broken promises that there's hardly anyone around that will take the above statement seriously. At least I know that I'll believe in it when I see it, not one second sooner.
And anyway, what happened to JFreeman's "We're going to stop promising a Smuggler Revamp we never seem to get around to deliver"?? Maybe you should heed that advice, Tiggs. Because making promises like this only opens you up to flames, when yet again your Dev team won't come through.
I try not to make promises I can't keep =)
Woah. Ok, now you have my interest. So I'm assuming you have some inside information that will mean good news for smugglers.
Ihareo wrote:
Aendracon wrote:
Why Mustafar? Probably because it is remote and there was only a slim chance that the Jedi would stumble over them by accident. As for the medical treatment of Vader - did it take place on Mustafar? Personally, I found it rather lame that Palpatine had the necessary equipment at hand to save Anakin in time. Yes, you could say it was foresight, but I was of the impression, that Palpatine was as surprised as was Vader. And Palpatine´s foresight has been known to fail at times...
Ihareo wrote:Really? I'm glad you're here to tell us these things. But um. WHY were the seperatists there? Because Sideous told them to be there of course. Now, here's a little question that I have been wondering, and was hoping ToOw would answer.
Why'd Sideous choose Mustafar? The fact that he had all the medical droids, potions and Sith arcanery to install Vaders armor all ready and waiting before he even went to fetch Anakin's charred body tells me he had it all planned out.
So again, why Mustafar. There's somthing going on there that we don't know.
The operation itself took place on Courascant. but he did have everything ready. Maybe he didn't know what was going to happen, but he knew he'd need the armor and cybernetic parts.True his foresight does fail him, but still, Sideous was carefully planning every single step of the way. He was as machiavellian as anyone ever was. That's why mustafar is so appealing. It's the mystery surrounding it. Not just anothjer ball o planet, but that specific place.Yah, the mystery is definately it. the mystery and the lava surfing!
wasnt he already experimenting w/ cybernetics by making grevious? It could have just been experimentation of creating super-soldiers w/ human adaptivity w/ droid strength.
Mythor wrote:And it's still completely and utterly absurd to have Obi Wan giving out missions to non-FS people.
Lets spend less time informing the public about back patting self advertising and more time informing us of the time tables on the fixes for the current application we pay monthly subscriptions for.
Tiggs wrote:
Sedoo wrote:
Sounds to me like that is a symptom of a greater problem. Like the DEV team is spending more time trying to hype an expansion that wasn't asked for rather than fixing current issues in the game.
Tiggs wrote:
WesBelden wrote:
Personally, I think the person in charge of picking the questions needs a good hard prod up the backside from a heavily shined boot; for some reason questions that were answered kept being repeated (and it's not as if there weren't a wide variety to choose from). Ah well, here's the log:
Before a chat starts everyone is notified of what will be dicussed. Question takes post questions to the Dev teams and we get to sort through them. I can tell you last night it was a chore due to the same questions getting spammed over and over and they had nothing to do with the expansion. We stay on topic because we have members of that particular team present to deal iwth the questions asked.
We have different teams that handle different areas of the game. The expansion has its own team separate from Live.
Tiggs wrote:
Fernas wrote:
Sometimes changes need to go in that the team feels will help the games long term goals even if the community doesn't agree.you opened the gate, and i'm stepping through. do tell us about these longterm goals. we, the players, should really have an opportunity to approve or disapprove of them.
In the next few weeks there will be more information on this.
Wow. What she is saying is that there are some big-time nerfs coming down the tubes, and that the dev team doesn't give an airborne rats ass about our opinions because they have a vision. I can't believe sony still puts its name on this game. Seriously, all the other SOE games are not this bad. Regarding the "separate teams" for different developement tasks, we all know how that works. If you have 10 developers you put 8 on the new expansion and 2 for bug fixes. After the expansion the 8 get moved back to bug fixes. The whole "the expansion is coming out because that team got finished with it" routine is not fooling any of us. If you don't have enough developers to maintain the game and push out new content, by all means please hire more.
Statements about "making unpopular changes for the longterm good of the game" reeks of a contemptable arrogance that typically preceeds a mass exodus of players. Statements such as that are the deathknell for communities, player/developer relations, and a game that is fun to play. Experienced MMORPGers know that statements like this mean it is time to move on.
Erynder wrote:Tiggs, you are forced to lie to us by the dev team. We, as customers, are the most unlucky group of paying customers. [..] You really didn't have to sell Jedi. You have Star Wars to sell.
Bravo, Erynder. Very well said. I really love this game because it lets me roleplay a lot, but I am very disapointed with the way SOE deals with the community. Your words really caugh me, I am impressed and touched by your speech.
/tiphat
I am sorry that you leave the game, since someone that honestly writes this must be a very good player.
/deepbow
I hope Tiggs forwards your thoughts to the devs too, and I hope they're at last taken into consideration.
I guess the xp gain wasn't included as one of those decisions.
Tiggs wrote:
Your post has been read and passed on. I would like to add that I represent the Communities views all the time. It is my and TH's jobs to let the team know how you will react to changes. Sometimes changes need to go in that the team feels will help the games long term goals even if the community doesn't agree.
Tiggs wrote:
Fernas wrote:
Sometimes changes need to go in that the team feels will help the games long term goals even if the community doesn't agree.
you opened the gate, and i'm stepping through. do tell us about these longterm goals. we, the players, should really have an opportunity to approve or disapprove of them.
In the next few weeks there will be more information on this.
Sure.... we alwasy here "In a few weeks" and we never get anything.