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Thread: Four Percent...
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Giamai
Sun May 22, 2005 11:51 pm
#14
yep as i said...working as intended 
i just got a 1% slice on a blaster-fist...admittedly, it is krayted with a high powered vibromotor...
-Geetah-
Mon May 23, 2005 7:08 am
#15
I am still silently weeping over my - 4% speed slice on a Renegade Pistol.
Alpha_Bits
Mon May 23, 2005 7:16 am
#16
I'm thinking to be a good slicer these days we need to have a reference sheet of the hard caps of damage for all the different weapons. Guess I'll be checking out the Weaponsmith forums...
I sliced a few scatter pistols the other day... used to be I'd report slices as I went, but didn't want to anymore, considering the slice were in the single digits... with one 0%, but the stats did go up a bit. The guy was happy with the results, though.
Guamarhea
Mon May 23, 2005 7:31 am
#17
Ackehece wrote:
Though the person who said the better the weapon the lower the slice is correct
the devs have damage/speed caps on weapon creation and enhancement.
If the weapon is near max for it's type it will slice for significantly less then a pile of junk
as they put it
easier to soup up aCamaro then a Ferrari
One is cheap and can benefit more from higher end tuning, engine balancing etc,
The other is a finely tuned vehicle that is made with the highest of toleranceswhich messing with would probably slow down.
20% on the camaro stillleaves the camaroslower then the ferrari with a 1% increase in performance
Well put and very logical. We getso hung up on the actual % number, that we miss the end result. A 1% on a 400stat (result: 404) still gives you a much better weapon than a 20% slice on a 300 stat (result: 360). This "new math" sliding scale for slicing post-CU accomplishes two things:
1) Limits the number of uber-weapons floating around by placing reasonable post-slice caps on everything
2) Allows players with less resources/credits to purchase and upgrade an affordable weapon, while still maintaining a reasonable balance between the improved cheaper weapon and the more-expensive Master weapons.
Now if only the Devs would take a moment to either confirm or deny this 
Malcolm_CaKre
Mon May 23, 2005 11:00 am
#18
Nope. Not my first slice post-CU.I tried it out on some "discount" models before I agreed to slice the Proton Carbine, and got decent slices. Thus figuring that the slicing problems were fixed, I agreed to have a go with the Proton.
I did not know that the hard-caps applied to post-sliced gear as well. (Is that confirmed, Wes?) But having the hard caps apply to slices explains the results that I got with the practice cheapies, leading up to the horrible result with the nice loot.
(And I did lots and lots of pre-CU slicing, thankyouverymuch. I'm a pre-CU, non-respec Master Smuggler, and frequently the go-to guy for slicing expensive gear among my guild & friends. I'd been holding off on doing any slicing until I could test the reported low- and negative-percent slices....)
Thanks for the info though! 
mal
djlowballer
Mon May 23, 2005 8:36 pm
#19
Ackehece wrote:Though the person who said the better the weapon the lower the slice is correctthe devs have damage/speed caps on weapon creation and enhancement.If the weapon is near max for it's type it will slice for significantly less then a pile of junkas they put iteasier to soup up a Camaro then a FerrariOne is cheap and can benefit more from higher end tuning, engine balancing etc,The other is a finely tuned vehicle that is made with the highest of tolerances which messing with would probably slow down.20% on the camaro still leaves the camaro slower then the ferrari with a 1% increase in performance
I was playing gran turismo and forza and sliced my 86 sprinter to around 600 hp and made it faster than a ferarri...
MilesDavidson
Mon May 23, 2005 9:01 pm
#20
The Ws forums have good info on the caps (or as close as we the players can get that is) and the %s on the slices we are getting give really good evidence to support those #s.
Seems the formulas are prety simple. Prety much same as before.....base %s are limited by slicing skill and capped by the theoretical max of the weapon in question.
SgtFugu
Mon May 23, 2005 11:45 pm
#21
-Geetah- wrote:
I am still silently weeping over my - 4% speed slice on a Renegade Pistol.
Did you look at the DPS before and after?
It has been reported that the DPS is increasing with a negative slice. I have seen it my self on several sclies.
It has been reported that the DPS is increasing with a negative slice. I have seen it my self on several sclies.
-Geetah-
Tue May 24, 2005 1:32 am
#22
SgtFugu wrote:
-Geetah- wrote:
I am still silently weeping over my - 4% speed slice on a Renegade Pistol.
Did you look at the DPS before and after?
It has been reported that the DPS is increasing with a negative slice. I have seen it my self on several sclies.
No, sadly enough I did not. I sliced it while - uhm - chatting in game. 
CapnKate
Tue May 24, 2005 6:27 am
#23
It should be noted that a Dev over in the Armorsmith forum said that regarding the %increase reported inthe system message, The number currently basically means nothing, check the stats. I would imagine this is true of weapon slices as well. So, don't trust the %. Check the stats.
Gaffacas
Wed May 25, 2005 12:14 am
#24
I was wondering!
In the Smuggler Revamp, will smuggler be able to decide if the wanna slice damage or speed?
Saarek
Wed May 25, 2005 12:41 am
#25
Last three Jawa Rifles I've sliced got 30% damage increases- and they had different serial nubmers so I know they weren't from the same manufacturing batch.
I just about shat myself when I saw that.
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