Smuggler Archive
Thread: Ok who's out
TomoRainer wrote:
No Keck and no Spinning makes Tomo go something something
Hey I'm around till the 2nd
And I'll be back to try out smuggling first hand, whenever it comes, so get on that neglect your pilot folks 
I've pretty much always held the standing belief that I would remain until we were given Smuggling content, and then make my decision.
With the current chain of events, however...I've made my decision. I'm going to stay as long as possible, and I'm going to be the dagger in their side. I'm going to complain, I'm going to rage against the night, I'm going to be outrageous...anything to get their attention. If I get permabanned from these forums and in-game, I'm going to get another handle to use, and another, and another, and another...until I have no more venom left in me. I'm also going to write to every major PC media outlet I can think of (I encourage you to do the same,) and explain how shoddy the playerbase has been treated by SOE, and LucasArts (with the exception of one profession.)
Tell them how this game started off as a dream many of us had, and how it was destroyed by some people in business suits that thought the money would flow from catering to one profession.
Tell them our history, send them the link to electricnomad's History of the Smuggler - As Written by the Devs post.
Point them to every forum with broken, battered professions in them.
Point them to every Correspondant that's been punished for trying to make their profession better.
Point them to every failure SOE and LucasArts has made in this game, whether it be decision-making or implementation.
Explain how this game started for you, and ask them to seek out why this game has become what it currently is...why is a Star Wars franchise (that should be one of the most successful MMORPGs in the history of the genre) losing customers, where servers are becoming ghost towns? Where did they go wrong?
That's what I'll be doing.
TomoRainer wrote:
Yeah, I'll meet you for high tea in Jabba's throne room with Dreven and EN, too
none higher.
Ahhhh...feels good to be back. I get off my ban, and suddenly everyone's screaming bloody murder that Angus got banned.
I don't plan on cancelling anytime soon...saw this exact same thing happen when the CU came out with "That's it! I can't take it anymore!" posts. I just find the whole concept hilarious. For so long the Smuggler forum considered itself above the petty little games of the BH & Jedi forums. Someone gets banned and suddenly out of nowhere come the "I quit" "I'm outraged" "I'm cancelling my 90 bazillion accounts" threads. You won't get your answer by demanding it. If Jedi can't get answers and you all believe they get anything they want....what makes you think you'll get anything?
Well, if you've been waiting for 2 years and haven't received anything...then a one month time limit for your demands is just going to be laughed at. I personally plan on continuing to play so long as my friends remain in game and I'm having fun. As soon as my fun stops, then I'll go. So for those of you quitting because you're not having fun...it's a good decision. You should never stick with something that's not interesting for you. For those that are quitting in protest...hey, good luck. I wish you the best. For those of you claiming you're quitting but in reality know you're staying....well....not much to say about you.
If I were to try to do a more in-depth historical analysis, I'd say the last time we had any major steam built up, it was back in March or whenever when they released the in-concept docs about slicing changes and smuggling missions. Those had people thinking there was a reason to stick around as a smuggler for a while longer; even if it was only in concept, there was finally some tangible evidence we'd ever be able to smuggle.
Fast forward four months later.
In fairness, the CU added significantly to smugglers' combat abilities, both directly (new specials and mods) and indirectly (pistols more competitive with other weapons). And slicing WAS revamped. In many ways, we're much better off than we were, say, six months ago. It's just, we still haven't gotten anything that feels like smuggling.
Which has been our foundational issue for what, two years or so.
So the two bannings weren't the root of the current chaos. They're just the metaphorical bullet that killed Archduke Ferdinand: a lot of other stuff was going on below the surface, and all it took to throw the entire system into chaos was a single piece of pressure at the wrong point. No one could have predicted when or why it would happen, really, but it's been building too long to really be surprised. In terms of complexity theory, we were approaching a critical point, and this one relatively common event was all it took to push us over the edge.
Pistols are severely handicapped by range alone. If you factor in the damage specials from Smuggler and Pistoleer more so.
Now they are making things more difficult by further limiting delays and daze specials like disarming shot and concussion shot.Probably do to J3di whines because of BH gank squads.
If a creature is always within range of my character and most often attacking I may as well roll a melee character.
I don't want a Jedi and never have, so SWG is looking less and less like the game for me.
And it really wasn't the bannings that caused all this.. smugglers get banned all the time, some more justifiably than others. Heck, I've been banned before. I dunno, think of this forum as a barrel.. if the bannings were sparks, and the barrel's empty, or full of nice things like delicious candy, nothing really happens when the sparks hit it other than a bit of fizzling and maybe a couple plumes of smoke. But if the barrel's full of negative energy, of gunpowder, and it's been accumulating for months on end, then when those sparks hit, suddenly the air's full of hurtling barrel parts and the internal organs of anyone who was standing too close.
The place can't blow up without the sparks, yeah, but if those sparks don't have a fat pile of gunpowder to fall on, no one pays them any mind. So all the talk today of quitting, of being thorns in peoples' sides and such, that wasn't conjured up because of the bannings. It was building up waiting for an event like this to make use of it. It doesn't matter what the event was--a banning, a nerf, a delay, whatever. Unless something came along to sweep away the gunpowder, it was going to get blown up at some point.
Tasomo wrote:
Really? Because here I thought it was a game. You know, something you pay for to have fun...and when you stop having fun you stop paying for it.
I've been in the game for some time and I've seen just how maligned the smuggler profession has gotten. But I refuse to jump on the latest "I quit" bandwagon.
The bannings also weren't the root of the problems right now. The problems were the people who got banned just coming back and screaming their heads off with brand new accounts with posts like "Ban me all you want SOE!! I'll just keep coming back!!!"
There are also some serious things to remember here. There is no Freedom of Speech clause anywhere in the forums. SOE wants to ban someone, they do it. Angus has by no means a spotless record for behavior in the eyes of the Mods, so once more he was banned. BUT...he comes back and tries to start some holy crusade. It's just demagoguery in which someone who is already mad comes back and tries to cite his own recent experience with "injustice" and attempts to incite the edgy populace.
Had neither of the banned posters come back and started the recent "OMG I QUIT" threads, then people would just be posting the usual "well, 7 days till blah blah gets back. Let's have beer and pie." Life would've gone on. This also isn't a world war by any means...there aren't multiple professions screaming outrage here over the 1 week ban of 2 smugglers. This is just 2 pissed off people screaming bloody murder and coercing people into parrotting the same.
Hey there Tasomo. Mind if I clarify a few things here? Because you actually have it all wrong. Don't take this the wrong way, because this isn't a flame. But it's obvious that you weren't here when this all came down, so I just wanted to set things straight before people got the wrong impression about what happened.
I was doing my normal thing at work... you know, half working, half posting here. The usual. I went to reply to a post when a window popped up saying I was banned for 7000 minutes (1 week) for trolling on the Events forum. It took me a minute to realize what they were talking about, then I remembered that I QFE'd someone who mentioned that us Smugglers still couldn't Smuggle, and added a comment something like "That would make a good player event, Smugglers being able to actually Smuggle". I was hoping maybe a Dev would see it and possibly come here and comment or something. (Hey, we can dream, right?) My fault for posting it there. I just didn't think it was a bannable offense. I thought wrong.
I asked a guildie of mine to post in here letting folks know that I got banned for 7 days because of it so my buds here on the forum wouldn't wonder what happened to me.
I was still without an account to post with when the threads started up about "Free Angus" and things of that nature. Those threads also got posted before "Captain Obvious" posted in here with an alt account saying that he got smacked with the ban stick, too. So to say that we started the ruckus is just incorrect. It started before we got back here.
You can check the post history on this name, you'll see that I've actually been taking it easy here. (Except for one altercation with DigiDante... sorry again, bud!) So to say that I've been in here whining is incorrect, as well. Now "Captain Obvious" got kinda mad about the whole deal and cancelled his account, but he has that right.
We didn't start the problem. It started when folks heard that I got banned. It continued when "Captain Obvious" (I love calling him that) came back. I came back after that. So to say that "The problems were the people who got banned just coming back and screaming their heads off with brand new accounts with posts like "Ban me all you want SOE!! I'll just keep coming back!!!" are just plain incorrect. It just escalated a bit more after we came back.
So let's put the blame where it belongs. People were just fed up about the lack of communication, and tired of waiting for word about the rest of our revamp. The bannings just gave them an excuse to show that they weren't happy.
Also, your comment "Angus has by no means a spotless record for behavior in the eyes of the Mods, so once more he was banned." is also wrong. Not sure where you got this from. I've never been banned before. Once again, check this name's post hostory. You'll see that I never tried to start any "Holy Crusade" as you put it. I've taken it very easy, actually, because I don't want to have this account forum banned, either. I enjoy my time here too much.
You really should have your facts straight before you post like you know what happened. Because you just don't. You're blaming people for things that they just didn't do.