Smuggler Archive
Thread: Nerf call for Last Ditch
Message Edited by JacobHiggins on 05-12-2005 11:01 PM
Jedi, according to the Canon (i.e. Star Wars sourcebooks, novels, movies, and the like) are NOT undefeatable. Theys shouldn't be kill-able only by other Jedi...the whining glowbats need to get this out of their head and remember that at one time they were other professions also. Alot (not all) are elitist, and deserve what they get.
So Last Ditch can whack a Jedi. Welcome to reality, bubs. Remember the Arena Battle scene in AOTC? Jedi jumps up onto the ledge, and BAM BAM BAM! 3 blasts from Jango put him DOWN. It happens.
We know that LD isn't perfect. The problem is, the Jedi see a potential 'weakness' and they jump on it, crying such terms as 'EXPLOIT' and 'NERF'. The name of the thread even claims that the 'one shot kill' was supposed to be removed from the game, and now Smugglers have it. Typical posting without researching on behalf of the super-gamers.
This angers me, because the Smuggler community has been through trials and tribulations enough without fellow players attacking us.
Jedi wonder why everyone is condecending to them instead of worshipping them...and its exactly that attitude that breeds the condecension.
No nerf for Last Ditch. De-nerf the game and remove Jedi.
*Is about to explode*
Grrr, right now I could become rather VIOLENT. 
maxtheusher wrote:
Allright, I know the theme for my next party.
As for the song - what about "another one bites the dust"? *polishes halo*
Navarchos wrote:
Just to give you guy's a heads up in case you don't know but there are people on the Jedi Forums complaining that Last Ditch is overpowered and are calling for it to be nerfed.
WHAT?!?! Jedi Complaining? Well *there's* something you don't see every day!
Apparently some enterprising PistoleerBounty Hunters have been using it as a last resort in combat and have managed to drop Master Defenders in one go with it. Apparently it's being used by BH/Riflemen as well, I hate to think how much damage a Last Ditched T-21 shot does but I bet it hurts. Lots.
Since I still have time to respec I might have to switch from MS/BH to MS/Rifleman just to see how much damage my pre-CU T21 actually *can* do with a LD shot.
Message Edited by Daturaze on 05-13-2005 06:18 AM
Hey guys. Jedi here and smuggler.... /gasp 
Just wanted to let you know I have other reasons for believing last ditch needs a tweek... Accuracy foods='s you win 
ive tested it with 450 ranged accuracy. its horrid.. hits every time.
The BH solution is to find something that counteracts such a ridiculous amount of damage, rather than roll over and die. Last Ditch is among those things. It seems that the Jedi response, as usual, is to dump all over our profession as a result. Go complain about BH gank squads or something and leave us alone. Relatively few people here are BHs, and most of us who aren't *need* specials like LD and FD and roots to survive, but apparently it's too much to ask that we actually have a class that's viable and not just a waste of SP. Thanks a lot, Jedi. Really. You've earned yet another hater. XP
Hallsy wrote:
Hey guys. Jedi here and smuggler.... /gasp
Just wanted to let you know I have other reasons for believing last ditch needs a tweek... Accuracy foods='s you win
I have a reason that Last Ditch needs to be left alone: Anything that keeps the Jedi population of the game scared s**tless and stops them from running rampant in a game timeline that says they are supposed to be extinct is a good thing.
Oh, and I have a character that is right now Force Sensitive, and am working towards making a Jedi. So I guess that means I'm just as qualified as any other Jedi/smuggler to make that observation right?
BDragon wrote:Mmmm, imnot sure why some of you smugglers are pointing the finger at jedi and saying this gives you a reason to hate them. Lets think about the problems regarding jedi and smuggler abilities properly for a minute:Feign Death: This was a Smuggler ability that was being used by those who were strictly speaking NOT smugglers, imho once you become jedi and pull out that saber you are a jedi. So those dabbling in your profession and abusing a great move got it nerfed.Last Ditch: Now this is causing issues when BH can hit jedi for damage reaching 6k if timed well. Not, nobody is complaining about a 'smuggler' using this ability, the hate of this move comes from when it is used in a bounty situation making the bountyhunter and not the smuggler the problem. I have last ditch with my main and its a great move, but very situational. It just so happens that player bounties or any 1 on 1 duel happen to be the very best situation for this move. So once again, somebody can come along and dabble in 1 line of your profession, gain a move that is extremely powerful and piss off an entire profession and who gets the blame? You guys do......I would suggest you guys ask for an effectivness mod to be placed on Last Ditch so that it does not become as powerful as it is right now until master. I mean, that wont effect you will it? you guys are smugglers and will master your profession. It would go a long way to removing any complaint a jedi could have, because if they get dicthed for 6k the guy was actaully a master smuggler and earned that right.This is further example that while dabbling is great for diversity, some moves should not be readily aviable to some professions because of the heat it can bring on the innocent profession the move resides in. And just for the record, im old skool and think jedi should be jedi only. If it was up to me no jedi would have ever had feign death because we wouldnt have any non-jedi skills anyway.....
It's all well and fine to say this, but the past has shown that when jedi and BH dabble in us and whine about the other, we just get nerfed, and that's IT. We just plain lose what we have. It's happened before, and again recently with Feign. And frankly, we're tired of that dog and pony show crapping on our lawn.
And you may feel this way, but from what I can see and hear, the majority of the jedi just don't care as long as they're not getting shot with LD so their Defenders can keep destroying everything that sneezes at them. I'm not talking just the forums, but experiences on the servers, as well.