Smuggler Archive
Thread: Proposed FIX to Feign Death
Hedd wrote:
Easy fix, have FD not work for PvP. In EQ, the monk has FD. If you pvp and FD, they still kill you. Is that hard?
. Not sure it would entirely stop the Jedi/BH problem, but it would no doubt make atleastsome impact on it.So if you are a master smuggler and your helping a PVP GCW base raid and you FD once you have a 95-100% chance and get up once the heat is off then FD again your chance of sucsess drops by like 10% each time you use it within a 30 min period, maybe more I mean if the enemy sees you drop and play dead then get up eventualy they'll get wise maybe even drop the chance of sucsess to 0% after a 3rd attempt inside so many mins.
HELL no.
Selko wrote:
Look it's simple make FD give the other guy an option to DB.I mean lets face it if you lay down and play dead in the middle of combat whats to keep me from walking up and shooting you in the head, just to make sure Then give a chance for the DB to work or not depending on a number of predetermined factors. Give BH's a bonus to work against our bonus something like this.
Then his "corpse" is removed from the battlefield..
Its like an unlimited get out of jail freecard..
PhoenixOrion wrote:
HELL no.
Selko wrote:
Look it's simple make FD give the other guy an option to DB.I mean lets face it if you lay down and play dead in the middle of combat whats to keep me from walking up and shooting you in the head, just to make sure Then give a chance for the DB to work or not depending on a number of predetermined factors. Give BH's a bonus to work against our bonus something like this.
Care to expand on this? Or is Hell no all I get? 
Really FD in PvP is kind of stupid. If someone falls over and dies I am damn well going to make sure that person is dead.
Ithink that there is no easy solution to this and that some are going to hate it and some are going to love it whatever happens.I am just hoping that the solution makesus happy for once.
Message Edited by Selko on 09-25-2004 04:35 PM
SLK wrote: Right now the jedi can just FD + logout + login his alt.. Then his "corpse" is removed from the battlefield.. Its like an unlimited get out of jail freecard..
Yeah. But he's still on the Terminals for the next 2-3 weeks, so it really doesn't matter anymore if a Jedi Feigns. Take the mission again and go after them. Wait them out if you have to, do whatever it takes. If you do a KD move, they can't feign.
Selko wrote:
Care to expand on this? Or is Hell no all I get?
Really FD in PvP is kind of stupid. If someone falls over and dies I am damn well going to make sure that person is dead.
Ithink that there is no easy solution to this and that some are going to hate it and some are going to love it whatever happens.I am just hoping that the solution makesus happy for once.
I would think as a fellow Master Smuggler, you'd be the LAST person to want Feign Death nerfed. Unless you don't PVP that much. Feign Death is one of the few definitive moves left. It's OUR move. Removing it from PVP would make it pretty much useless and if they are going ot remove it from PVP, they should do so for PVE. But then I can tell you right now, there will be alot of people mad about it's removal. Feign Death in PVP is just awesome. It's OUR MOVE. It's THE move for a Smuggler, and it fits our profession well. Removing it would be the equivilantcutting off your manhood. You say you hope the solution makes "us" happy. Well if not all of "us" agree, then your hopes are already shot down before any fix occurs.
If the whole complaint is b/c of Jedi doing it - make it so once a Force Sensitive person hits Jedi Padawan, they can no longer use Feign Death. Simple as that. Why hurt the majority of the profession who aren't Jedi just b/c the few abuse our specials so their precious god-class doesn't lose XP? I'm all for Jedi who actually PLAY their class, and would love to see them lose the ability to Feign. But not at the cost of US losing it too.
So there are my reasons. Why punish the non-Jedi Smugglers b/c of the actions of the Jedi with Dirty Fighting?
FD as a 'passive ability'..
when incapped/db'd the FD roll takes place automatically..
on fail you die.. insert normal death procedure here
on sucess from the enemies perspective everything happens normally.. faction exchange in PVP etc..
but the FD player has an additional option on their clone sheet.. and that's to 'Stop Feigning'..
on feign stopping.. player suffers from normal 'incap effects'
smugglers that sucessfully FD keep their buffs thru sucessful feign..
now since this ability is now redesigned to retroactively sustain life.. you're still going to succumb to the triple incap 'griefing' as everyone else.. but conversely your armor is likely to stay in better shape as you're actually 'corpsed' and unattackable..
this would prevent posture-up out of feign as well (from my understanding this still happens occasionally)
i realize that this changes the role of the FD skill dramatically.. but like i said thinking outside the box.. might give better perspective for an overall solution
thoughts.. comments.. criticism??
Here'smy FD idea:
At Dirty Fighting I, a smuggler is able to /feigndeath, but they have a small chance to fail.
At Dirty Fighting II, a smuggler is able to /feigndeath with minamalchance to fail, and looks like he's incap'ed (as opposed to looking like he /feign'ed.. not really sure how this would be done, it's just an idea..)
At Dirty Fighting III, a smuggler is able to /feigndeath with no chance to fail.
At Dirty Fighting IV, a smuggler is able to effectively fiegn his death, making him appear dead (with "You have killed so and so" message). Make it seem like a 3rd incap thing (no "You deathblow so and so" message).
Just a general kinda idea
Message Edited by eman7h on 09-26-2004 02:55 PM
Selko wrote:
PhoenixOrion wrote:
HELL no.
Selko wrote:
Look it's simple make FD give the other guy an option to DB.I mean lets face it if you lay down and play dead in the middle of combat whats to keep me from walking up and shooting you in the head, just to make sure Then give a chance for the DB to work or not depending on a number of predetermined factors. Give BH's a bonus to work against our bonus something like this.
Care to expand on this? Or is Hell no all I get?
Really FD in PvP is kind of stupid. If someone falls over and dies I am damn well going to make sure that person is dead.
The way I understand it, FD is the skill of looking dead and in such a way that they look like you don't need to bother. It's a bluff and the same sort of bravado that the smuggler uses to get the winning hand to fold when the smuggler is holding nothing. There would be tricks specific to the situation that simply cannot be represented in the game. Don't limit yourself to what the skill is suppose to be by just how it is represented in game.
Ithink that there is no easy solution to this and that some are going to hate it and some are going to love it whatever happens.I am just hoping that the solution makesus happy for once.
Message Edited by Selko on 09-25-2004 04:35 PM