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Thread: Now that things might be going our way....

lurdanta
Sun Mar 13, 2005 10:31 am
#14

I have a thought. One way we can fight the flames and whatnot is to maybe lend our support to SL or pistoleer or some other profession which needs fixing and has suffered the same ambivalence as us. It seems to be the best way to put a positive spin is to show people we aren't myopic and feel we are the only profession in need of help. It would be a good way to show people we aren't selfish and think the only way this game can realize its potential is for all the professions to have love.

Let's show people how classy we know we are.

(Although I must confess it is so hard to write this without mentioning a certain profession which seems to be, ironically, filled with self-centered power addicts, but that would be going negative and, at the risk of forever losing my master cynic, I don't want to go there....)

DrevenStrobe
Sun Mar 13, 2005 10:54 am
#15






WesBelden wrote:

Such naysayers are not going to change the minds of the developers. My advice would be to leave such posts to die out on their own.







You get that straight from a dev?


If so, I feel a whole lot better...


As it is, my ID-10-T file keeps growing...




Dreven Strobe (Colonel) Tristyn Strobe
TKM / Master Pistoleer / Master Smuggler / Master Merchant
Imp FP Broker: 130c/FP Starsider Imp FP Broker: 130c/FP
Smuggler 'til the end...and then some.
"Everything I tell you is a lie. The truth is always bigger than the words we use to describe it."
yimaz
Sun Mar 13, 2005 10:56 am
#16




Noob01 wrote:


I dont think it's far thatsmugglers get a revamp while jedi has been left to rot on the vine, its not fair and my mom agree's with me.





Sorry could not help myself




Yimayz Samoot
Master Smuggler & Master Pilot
Captain of the Auto de fé

DrevenStrobe
Sun Mar 13, 2005 10:58 am
#17






yimaz wrote:




Noob01 wrote:


I dont think it's far thatsmugglers get a revamp while jedi has been left to rot on the vine, its not fair and my mom agree's with me.





Sorry could not help myself








Actually...that's not too far off from what I've been experiencing...


"Smuggler got a new toy. Take it away or give me one too! /pout"




Dreven Strobe (Colonel) Tristyn Strobe
TKM / Master Pistoleer / Master Smuggler / Master Merchant
Imp FP Broker: 130c/FP Starsider Imp FP Broker: 130c/FP
Smuggler 'til the end...and then some.
"Everything I tell you is a lie. The truth is always bigger than the words we use to describe it."
yimaz
Sun Mar 13, 2005 11:03 am
#18

I think that happens with all professions and the dev's know it. Problem is many people dont understand any profession history, just pissed that they get no love. After 2yrs of waiting anyone that tries to cry about us getting any love will just get a /rolleyes and an lol from me. I wont let them bother me....n00bs with out a clue.



Yimayz Samoot
Master Smuggler & Master Pilot
Captain of the Auto de fé

Arsani
Sun Mar 13, 2005 11:15 am
#19

Anyone who naysays y'all smugglers for fianlly getting the love you deserve, just ask and I'll personally set them on fire.



N
Do Not Meddle in the Affairs of Zombies, For Your Brains Are Tasty and That Red Ain't Ketchup!
Arsani "Living Dead Girl" Co'lace ~ Starsider
zazo
Sun Mar 13, 2005 11:19 am
#20

mmm he's right even though if you go to all your buddies from other professions and they will vehamently agree that smuggler needs attention...as soon as we get it we will lose our martyr status and people will start complaining.



Zazo Flyrider
Leader of DN/Non-smuggling smuggler since Sept' 03
NinNyang Ninnang Nynyang Nin Nong Ninnang


SmugglinZane
Sun Mar 13, 2005 11:24 am
#21






DrevenStrobe wrote:





yimaz wrote:




Noob01 wrote:


I dont think it's far thatsmugglers get a revamp while jedi has been left to rot on the vine, its not fair and my mom agree's with me.



Sorry could not help myself






Actually...that's not too far off from what I've been experiencing...


"Smuggler got a new toy. Take it away or give me one too! /pout"




This is probably what is least surprising to me.


We know it's something we're going to hear, and we know who the likely sources are, down to specific people in some cases. The worst part about this is that there is an actual fear of the nonsense effecting the outcome of our profession.


The truth is that our profession is really not getting anything totally new. The slicing interface will give us more control over the upgrades, which in turn benefits all players. Spices will no longer be crafted, but recieved through missions. This has no effect on anything without the spices becoming more valuable. If they become more valuable, once again, this benefits all players. We will now get to smuggle, which is something we should have been able to do from the beginning. This is the only thing that solely benefits us.


As for the prospect of money, I must say it's a long time coming. A non combat Smuggler had no chance to make money (other than often grossly underpriced slices) without picking up another profession, usually weaponsmith or armorsmith. A combat Smuggler has to take another combat profession in order to get high paying missions to earn money. If anything, the Revamp will put us on par with other professions.


Finally I'd like to point out one thing to the naysayers. Had this profession been complete at launch, or at the very least revamped shortly after launch like a few others, we would be moving on to more in depth systems at this point. If things had been done right from the beginning, we wouldn't be dealing with the perceptions and opinions of the player base that interfere with things like a legitimate contraband system.



I know you all know this, it's just something that needs to be said sometimes. I plan on sticking to my guns with this one. If someone wants to put forth a legitimate argument, I'll debate them on it. If someone wants to put forth a whine, I probably won't even respond.


Now if I see things change because of whiners, I'll cancel my account faster than they can respond. What bothers me most at this point is what appears to be cowardice in the matter so far. I see who's talking about it. It makes it pretty apparent whereand whatthings are being said, and even to some extent by whom. I think it speaks of their true nature, and, for some of them, their agenda should be blatantly transparent by now.


It all comes down to one thing though. It's time to start moving forward with the changes to the game. The longer they delay something as basic as the sandbox, the more petty people will become.




"Jedi claims of being "broken" are like saying "But my TV isn't widescreen! It's broken! My TV can't show high-def pictures in 1080i, it can only do 720i! It's broken!" Meanwhile, crafters are saying "We'd really like to have a TV that's larger than 12" and gets more than 4 channels and doesn't constantly lose vertical control", and entertainers are saying "Can we get some color instead of this B&W piece of junk?" And smugglers? We're listening to radio programs of "The Shadow" and "The Abbot and Costello Comedy Hour" and hearing FDR's Fireside Chats. We don't even HAVE a damn TV, much less a broken one or a "broken" one by Jedi standards. I'd LOVE to be as "broken" as they are." - The Legendary Solo4114
SmugglinZane
Sun Mar 13, 2005 11:31 am
#22






yimaz wrote:

I think that happens with all professions and the dev's know it. Problem is many people dont understand any profession history, just pissed that they get no love. After 2yrs of waiting anyone that tries to cry about us getting any love will just get a /rolleyes and an lol from me. I wont let them bother me....n00bs with out a clue.







Funny thing to me is when you see a profession that has already had a revamp saying they need another one.


What annoys me the most is that Smugglers have been so supportive of other professions and their need for fixes. I don't see that changing anytime soon, nor do I see Smugglers calling for huge revamps foruntil those professions get their fixes.


This has to be one of the most patient (or masochistic) group of people I've ever known to stick with something so profoundly screwy for so long, and for anyone to hold a grudge against us for any reason shows just how petty and small minded they really are.




"Jedi claims of being "broken" are like saying "But my TV isn't widescreen! It's broken! My TV can't show high-def pictures in 1080i, it can only do 720i! It's broken!" Meanwhile, crafters are saying "We'd really like to have a TV that's larger than 12" and gets more than 4 channels and doesn't constantly lose vertical control", and entertainers are saying "Can we get some color instead of this B&W piece of junk?" And smugglers? We're listening to radio programs of "The Shadow" and "The Abbot and Costello Comedy Hour" and hearing FDR's Fireside Chats. We don't even HAVE a damn TV, much less a broken one or a "broken" one by Jedi standards. I'd LOVE to be as "broken" as they are." - The Legendary Solo4114
Lixosskzzo
Sun Mar 13, 2005 12:09 pm
#23

I think most of the people that are going to be complaining are either: A) members of professions such as squad leader, who are envious, and rightfully so. Best response is to lobby for their professions, even if they didn't lobby for the fixes to us, B) Former smugglers (whether they are wusses, or simply smarter than the rest of us is a matter of interpretation) who are mad because they surrended all their skills that are now going to (hopefully) be "super cool", C) Jerks that haven't been playing since launch and/or beta, but assume that the state of the game is and should be constant, unchanging, and only care about the patches and updates that directly affect them or their class directly.


Not even sure why I bothered typing something everyone knows. I'm tired and trying to take my mind off work for the next 20 minutes. I pray I won't get another call in that time, been typing this reply on and off for like an hour...



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JiganSterling
Sun Mar 13, 2005 1:08 pm
#24

a jedi's greatest power is his "force whine" ability....





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JWing
Sun Mar 13, 2005 3:34 pm
#25



Smuggler_Caylin wrote:


Kells wrote:
Unbelievable, can anyone be happy for anyone else anymore?



Well here's this for an example. Because we get content and a role in the CU, a few people think the role in the CU should be virtually removed. Apparently the ability to slice, sell faction and have missions is too much for them as far as credit income and thus believe everything we would receive in the CU should be blown away.






yup, well said



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JediArashi
Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:27 pm
#26






JWing wrote:





Smuggler_Caylin wrote:





Kells wrote:

Unbelievable, can anyone be happy for anyone else anymore?





Well here's this for an example. Because we get content and a role in the CU, a few people think the role in the CU should be virtually removed. Apparently the ability to slice, sell faction and have missions is too much for them as far as credit income and thus believe everything we would receive in the CU should be blown away.








yup, well said



It's amazing the things people say when they feel left out. One can only hope that the devs are smart enough to ignore them.




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