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SpinningCloud

Wed Feb 02, 2005 6:57 pm

Orcajum; "To me, it doesn't seem logical that a civilian would be producing these items for the military when the military has their own industrial complex. "

Huh??

What military does it's own manufacturing please tell?

Boeing is 'civilian', Colt is 'civilian', General Dynamics is 'civilian'...need I continue?

I'm afraid I don't quite 'get' it...

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JTGAlpha

Wed Feb 02, 2005 7:21 pm

#15

Well it doesn't matter what real life says.

The Empire did give out exclusive contracts to build military hardware, like Siener and INCOM before they made the X-Wing and defected. q

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WesBelden

Wed Feb 02, 2005 7:30 pm

#16

Mentski wrote:

With this GCW shake up, what do you guys think the implications will be on out much loved profession.

Aside from the tons of cash we might possibly make selling FP/Perks/Bases, Its going to make the crackdown scan different for certain, as any non-civilian/on leave rebel, for example, will be shot on sight.

Just to clarify, those that are on leave will not be 'shot on sight'. You are however right, this will change the crackdown somewhat in that a large number of people will be SoS instead of scanned and ergo not care if they're scanned or not.

Do you think we might get some new abilities... maybe some kind of /maskfaction command, that could allow (at least PVP disabled) members of the same faction appear civilian when grouped? Hence allowingrebs to sneak past crackdown troops, and also for groups (imp or reb) to infiltrate the new PvE Bases?

It could be the first step towardsus reallysmuggling...

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JTGAlpha

Wed Feb 02, 2005 7:30 pm

#17

Psh. Like they cared to begin with.

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Orcajum

Wed Feb 02, 2005 7:48 pm

#18

Sojourner wrote:

SpinningCloud wrote:
Orcajum; "To me, it doesn't seem logical that a civilian would be producing these items for the military when the military has their own industrial complex. "

Huh??

What military does it's own manufacturing please tell?

Boeing is 'civilian', Colt is 'civilian', General Dynamics is 'civilian'...need I continue?

I'm afraid I don't quite 'get' it...

Nations both past and present have military-owned arsenals, but yes in most countries military equipment is primarily made by private companies.

However, that military equipment is ONLY sold to military buyers. I can't call up my local Colt sales rep and order 24 M203 Grenade Launcers, 100 M16A4 Rifles, and 200 M4 Carbines. Hense the black market for military grade weapons. I probably should have been more specific in how I worded that.

But anyway, I concede that the idea of a division between Imperial, Rebel and Civilian weapons would never be implimented because of the player outcry. It was just an idea since, finally, the devs are starting to tighten down on Factional distinctions and services, and since it seems most people are pleased with this development, it might have been possible to lay the groundwork for this Smuggling idea we all seem to want.

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Mentski

Wed Feb 02, 2005 7:49 pm

#19

WesBelden wrote:

Mentski wrote:

Aside from the tons of cash we might possibly make selling FP/Perks/Bases, Its going to make the crackdown scan different for certain, as any non-civilian/on leave rebel, for example, will be shot on sight.

Just to clarify, those that are on leave will not be 'shot on sight'. You are however right, this will change the crackdown somewhat in that a large number of people will be SoS instead of scanned and ergo not care if they're scanned or not.

Case of bad punctuation there - was supposed to read as "if you are not a civilian or an on leave rebel", if you catch my drift. post edited. it makes far more sence now

Message Edited by Mentski on 02-03-2005 02:55 AM

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SmugglinZane

Wed Feb 02, 2005 8:25 pm

#20

As a Neutral Smuggler, for RP as well as choice, some aspects of the new changes are a little discomforting. I really hope this game does not become about having to join one side or the other in order to really experience it. I've always hoped that they would create more faction interaction for neutrals. I've wanted to wanted by the Empire because I was a Smuggler and not because I was a rebel. I really hope that the Smuggler Revamp and more changes to the GCW will bring more of this into play. The funny thing is that the people who profit most (and sometimes even decide the outcomes of battle) are those who are just in it for the money. They are the ones who work for whoever is paying the most at that point in time (as I like to RP).

I know there should always be a benefit to joining a faction and I will never suggest we go against that. But I also think there are ways to get everyone involved without having to pick a side. I like that they are making sweeping changes, but I hope that some of these changes are followed up by others that expand the game to all.

"Jedi claims of being "broken" are like saying "But my TV isn't widescreen! It's broken! My TV can't show high-def pictures in 1080i, it can only do 720i! It's broken!" Meanwhile, crafters are saying "We'd really like to have a TV that's larger than 12" and gets more than 4 channels and doesn't constantly lose vertical control", and entertainers are saying "Can we get some color instead of this B&W piece of junk?" And smugglers? We're listening to radio programs of "The Shadow" and "The Abbot and Costello Comedy Hour" and hearing FDR's Fireside Chats. We don't even HAVE a damn TV, much less a broken one or a "broken" one by Jedi standards. I'd LOVE to be as "broken" as they are." - The Legendary Solo4114

SmugglinZane

Wed Feb 02, 2005 8:31 pm

#21

WesBelden wrote:

Mentski wrote:

With this GCW shake up, what do you guys think the implications will be on out much loved profession.

Aside from the tons of cash we might possibly make selling FP/Perks/Bases, Its going to make the crackdown scan different for certain, as any non-civilian/on leave rebel, for example, will be shot on sight.

Just to clarify, those that are on leave will not be 'shot on sight'. You are however right, this will change the crackdown somewhat in that a large number of people will be SoS instead of scanned and ergo not care if they're scanned or not.

Do you think we might get some new abilities... maybe some kind of /maskfaction command, that could allow (at least PVP disabled) members of the same faction appear civilian when grouped? Hence allowingrebs to sneak past crackdown troops, and also for groups (imp or reb) to infiltrate the new PvE Bases?

It could be the first step towardsus reallysmuggling...

That's one of the major points I have a problem with. I want to get scanned as a civilian. I want to be attacked as a civilian because I broke the law. I want these things, and they are realistic and should be a part of the equation.

As for military equipment and us getting to smuggle. If Smuggling becomes a faction based skill, or the only way to participate in meaningful smuggling is to join a faction would be a huge disappointment. To me, it's an asinine prospect. I'm not saying that you shouldn't get smuggling missions from factions, I'm saying that they shouldn't be the best missions or the only meaningful missions.

Have they never heard of mercenaries or war profiteers or just plain criminals?

Message Edited by SmugglinZane on 02-02-2005 10:31 PM

"Jedi claims of being "broken" are like saying "But my TV isn't widescreen! It's broken! My TV can't show high-def pictures in 1080i, it can only do 720i! It's broken!" Meanwhile, crafters are saying "We'd really like to have a TV that's larger than 12" and gets more than 4 channels and doesn't constantly lose vertical control", and entertainers are saying "Can we get some color instead of this B&W piece of junk?" And smugglers? We're listening to radio programs of "The Shadow" and "The Abbot and Costello Comedy Hour" and hearing FDR's Fireside Chats. We don't even HAVE a damn TV, much less a broken one or a "broken" one by Jedi standards. I'd LOVE to be as "broken" as they are." - The Legendary Solo4114

yimaz

Wed Feb 02, 2005 8:38 pm

#22

Civilan and people on "leave" from their factionneed to be subject to major fines and attack( if they run) from the empire. The crack down now needs to move twords Spice and Slice in a big wayand not focus mostlyon rebel seek and destroy or we go right back to where we were before the crack down pub.

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SmugglinZane

Wed Feb 02, 2005 8:42 pm

#23

yimaz wrote:

Civilan and people on "leave" from their factionneed to be subject to major fines and attack( if they run) from the empire. The crack down now needs to move twords Spice and Slice in a big wayand not focus mostlyon rebel seek and destroy or we go right back to where we were before the crack down pub.

Exactly!

"Jedi claims of being "broken" are like saying "But my TV isn't widescreen! It's broken! My TV can't show high-def pictures in 1080i, it can only do 720i! It's broken!" Meanwhile, crafters are saying "We'd really like to have a TV that's larger than 12" and gets more than 4 channels and doesn't constantly lose vertical control", and entertainers are saying "Can we get some color instead of this B&W piece of junk?" And smugglers? We're listening to radio programs of "The Shadow" and "The Abbot and Costello Comedy Hour" and hearing FDR's Fireside Chats. We don't even HAVE a damn TV, much less a broken one or a "broken" one by Jedi standards. I'd LOVE to be as "broken" as they are." - The Legendary Solo4114

WesBelden

Wed Feb 02, 2005 8:47 pm

#24

yimaz wrote:

Civilan and people on "leave" from their factionneed to be subject to major fines and attack( if they run) from the empire. The crack down now needs to move twords Spice and Slice in a big wayand not focus mostlyon rebel seek and destroy or we go right back to where we were before the crack down pub.

Well, actually I had been assuming that those on leave, if detected, would be treated as if they were conbatants immediately after.. I'll go check on this.

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MISTagent01

Wed Feb 02, 2005 11:29 pm

#25

WesBelden wrote:

yimaz wrote:

Civilan and people on "leave" from their factionneed to be subject to major fines and attack( if they run) from the empire. The crack down now needs to move twords Spice and Slice in a big wayand not focus mostlyon rebel seek and destroy or we go right back to where we were before the crack down pub.

Well, actually I had been assuming that those on leave, if detected, would be treated as if they were conbatants immediately after.. I'll go check on this.

Thanks Wes, I was thinking about this too. Let us know when you know more!

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Mentski

Thu Feb 03, 2005 7:09 am

#26

yimaz wrote:

Civilan and people on "leave" from their factionneed to be subject to major fines and attack( if they run) from the empire. The crack down now needs to move twords Spice and Slice in a big wayand not focus mostlyon rebel seek and destroy or we go right back to where we were before the crack down pub.

Add to that imps shouldn't be able to pull rank when on leave, either.

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