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Thread: When (IF) smuggler bounties are introduced how will you change your template and why?
ana-mo-cara
Sun Jan 02, 2005 6:48 pm
#14
One I seriously doubt that the buffs and foods will be brought in line. Remember doctors and chefs were actually able to bully in to the position they got. First chefs got scout foods trashed then they got their foods additionally jacked. The doctors got their buffs improved. Then when the devs randomized them they were able to force standardizeation.
Second nobody knows what the CU is bringing. If anything it was apparant last summer that the community was fead a steady diet of bs details. That havent even been refered to since the cu delay. I have personally talked to a number of sandboxers and guess what they have a crush on doctor buffs. For the reason that they are utterly dependant on them. People that are addicted do not go out to change their drug of choice. Eighty percent of the players in the game now cannot conceive of getting by without a doctors buff and a crate of vasarian brandy.
Its obvious the devs know that these hurt the game. They have known for over half a year how out of hand it was. Why havent they simply reduced the numbers in these systems. Its easy enough. Remove a zero here is all. Answer the vast majority would not stand for it. People will not accept rational numbers to instill balance. Nor will they view a system where there are penalties for bonuses as equitable. In other words players are utterly spoiled by the good life.
About all I can see happening is the devs modestly lowering numbers on buffs and food. Not enough to actually make a difference. Sure I hope they do put balance back into the game. Though I know the devs are of the dark side they follow the easy path the path of least resistance. The path of quick universally popular quick fixes. They take stands only when they have no other option left. Thats why the game in general is in the sorry shape it is in. They see a problem and mess around for months until it eats a puss filled hole into the game like cancer, and then act like its a major freaking realization.
I have played this game since launch and have learned from a steady diet of lies tricks and overblown exagerations that anything a dev has told you is far from a fact. If your lucky enough for it to not be a lie. Oh here is a good one we will not be transfering any stafe from empire to jtl. Then they borrowed a few people, but thats it. After jtl comes out we find most of empires staff was working on it. Just do not convince yourself that something is going to happen, or that anything will happen.
NickHeel
Sun Jan 02, 2005 7:01 pm
#15
Ternque01 wrote:
Well dude, supposedly the devs are gonna lower buffs to the point that the innate bonus wookies get for their stats actually makes a damn bit of difference.
That is more than modest I think.
QFE
Please know what you're talking about before you make open rants, dude. Ternque said it perfectly right. Everything is being brought into balance including spices. Wes has already started a thread on it and said they're going to be overhauled.
You whine and whine and argue like you think that we don't know what we're talking about. You have your people thatunderstand things and know what's going on and keep up with the "news" and then you have your basic whiner that has nothing positive to say. Guess which one you are?
ana-mo-cara
Sun Jan 02, 2005 7:02 pm
#16
Ah but who told you that like I said devs are not really a reputeable source for such details. That may be why the cu is close to the vest. They do not want us to call them on false promises one more time.
Ternque01
Sun Jan 02, 2005 7:07 pm
#17
Whatever it is, it is headed our way, and not even Mr. T and his van will stop it!!!
NickHeel
Sun Jan 02, 2005 7:11 pm
#18
Ternque01 wrote:
Whatever it is, it is headed our way, and not even Mr. T and his van will stop it!!!
That may be but I have a secret weapon....
/calls up Splinter and Leonardo;
/tells them to get the PARTY WAGON up and running
Oh yeah 
Smuggler_Caylin
Sun Jan 02, 2005 7:17 pm
#20
I'll say this, I've probably seen more about spice changes than anyone outside the developers. I know some of the stuff they were planning and I was very...very interested.
Much of this was quite a while back, what will come of what I saw remains to be seen with the combat upgrade.
Anything and Everything that affects combat is getting a look at. WHile some things are 'outside the scope' to avoid feature creep, they are trying to improve and balance what we have.
As for buffs, I'd probably be happier if they didn't exist. That's how I feel about them.
Much of this was quite a while back, what will come of what I saw remains to be seen with the combat upgrade.
Anything and Everything that affects combat is getting a look at. WHile some things are 'outside the scope' to avoid feature creep, they are trying to improve and balance what we have.
As for buffs, I'd probably be happier if they didn't exist. That's how I feel about them.
One of the Four Horsemen of the Smuggler Apocalypse! 
NickHeel
Sun Jan 02, 2005 7:19 pm
#21
Ternque01 wrote:
I used to play with those things as a kid
Dewwwwwwwwwwwwd!!!!!111!!eleven!!!
I so have an entire water heater box full of that stuff upstairs in my garage! Did any of your little siblings or relatives cut Mikey's nunchuks(sp.) in two and called it dynomite? 
Poor Mike had to rely on the crappy secondary weapons that came with every character to fight Baxter Stalkman...him and GeneralTraag were always invading the sewers and kidnapping April O'Neil and her cool news bike.
*Editted for Gen. Traag's correct spelling!
Message Edited by NickHeel on 01-02-2005 08:22 PM
Ternque01
Sun Jan 02, 2005 7:19 pm
#22
Combat in SWG is like a post-apocalyptic continent. You have mutants who can dodge every bullet you shoot at them, take no damage, yet slaughter fields of troops unscathed. I'm not even talking about the Jedi 
Oh yea, the women can have a full body of hair, green skin, or look like seafood.... it's not pretty.
Oh yea, the women can have a full body of hair, green skin, or look like seafood.... it's not pretty.
Ternque01
Sun Jan 02, 2005 7:23 pm
#23
Nick, I think you ran ana-mo-cara off. I wish he/she could hear (read) what Caylin wrote.... /sigh...
NickHeel
Sun Jan 02, 2005 7:28 pm
#24
Ternque01 wrote:
Nick, I think you ran ana-mo-cara off. I wish he/she could hear (read) what Caylin wrote.... /sigh...
ana-mo-cara is strong with the Newb. He'll be back and the Newb will be with him. Too bad that's just laughable in the face of strong evidence anda first hand account from Caylin about the topic.
Speaking of the topic....my apologies to HOTDOG. Didn't mean to hijack
ana-mo-cara
Sun Jan 02, 2005 7:30 pm
#25
It all boils down to do not count your chickens until they hatch. Its easy to get your hopes up. The point I am trying to make is that its best to be pessimistic on these things until they actually arive at the door step and actually stay for a little while. Once upon a time I actually bought into what the devs said and the info that was delivered. Now I do not bother to think anything will come out right. I have seen the devs lie, make promises, and just as quickly reverse themselves. There is no such thing as a done deal in this game.
I one hundred percent agree that I too would be happier if doctors buffs never materialized. When they did it totally destroyed game mechanics like ham costs encumberances. Profession bonuses from scouts. Race bonuses. Medic is next to useless, and specials got crippled in proportional values.
The thing is though througout the game. We have staunch buff supporters. Not only those that profit by them, but the people that think they should spam ad nauseum, and the guys that think they should wear full sets of eighty percent composite. In truth to make matters worse people that would stand up for a truely strategic and balanced combat system are becomeing harder and harder to find in the game. Simply because they are continually driven out.
Then again we might get lucky and the devs might actually do a decent job for once, but I am have become one of those people that has learned to expect the worst from the devs on this game. I have seen the devs desire to kiss a fotm destroy huge section of this game to please a small group.
Ternque01
Sun Jan 02, 2005 7:36 pm
#26
Expect the worst and you shall receive it. Expect the best and you shall receive it.
I DO NOT go on a date expecting the girl to dump me, kick me in the groin, then steal my (crappy) car.
I expect to have a good time, have good conversations, then invite to my apartment for coffee, lol.