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Thread: Daze / Mez: What is the point on...
lspiderl wrote:
you know i find it funny that everyones solution to the changes on concusion shot is
UH..well if u get comando .....
I DONT WANT TO BE A COMANDO NEVERWANTED TO BE A COMANDO NEVER WILL WANT TO BE A COMANDO
IM A FREAKIN SMUGLER PISTOLEER AND SHOULDNT HAVE TO TAKE COMANDO JUST SO THAT MY ELITE PROFESION IS FREAKIN USEFULL OMG WAKE UP AND SMELL THE FOAM CUZ THE NERF BAT IS HEADING OUR WAY WITH A VENGANCE
And the sky is falling- RUN! RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!!!!
..or get one and shut up.
HOTDOG wrote:
lspiderl wrote:
you know i find it funny that everyones solution to the changes on concusion shot is
UH..well if u get comando .....
I DONT WANT TO BE A COMANDO NEVERWANTED TO BE A COMANDO NEVER WILL WANT TO BE A COMANDO
IM A FREAKIN SMUGLER PISTOLEER AND SHOULDNT HAVE TO TAKE COMANDO JUST SO THAT MY ELITE PROFESION IS FREAKIN USEFULL OMG WAKE UP AND SMELL THE FOAM CUZ THE NERF BAT IS HEADING OUR WAY WITH A VENGANCE
And the sky is falling- RUN! RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!!!!
You willeither be dead or FD when you try this againstmorethen 2 mobs solo. Hopefully you will be able to kill the Number 1 within 40 seconds, otherwhise Mob 2 will jump you aswell.. and guess what? You will have both on you because you cant smack Daze onNumber 1again for a certain amount of time. Commando doesnt helps you when you cant re-use Dazeon the same mobs, because of the timer.
HOTDOG wrote:
JoKen_Jash wrote:
I don't get it, why is everyone so happy with the changes to concussion shot? Don't you get it? EVERY TIME YOU HIT THE TARGET AFTER YOU MEZ IT, THE TARGET WILL GO UN-MEZZED. This makes it so that you'll either have to make your auto fire concussion shot or use commando weapons in a macro that will immediately switch to a non-AoE weapon as soon as you fire the shot. The break on damage will basically make the skill useless except for running from a target, which I rarely use anyway.
If they now add a timer like the timers on kds, ANDmake itbreak on damage, we can kiss our whole mez description goodbye.
I'll tell you why I dig it.
With the Concussion Shot we have now (the root) when I run across more than one MOB with a gun- I get my ass handed to me. Especially if they are like level 54 or more.
I don't know if you have noticed but there are A LOT of ranged enemies out there now.
With this new move- I can take them out one at a time (shooting each person and dealing with them at my lesiure) without worrying about takin' damage from 3 or 4 targets while I run around and try to stay out of their range.
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Message Edited by HOTDOG on 06-26-2005 04:01 PM
Message Edited by Thomen on 06-26-2005 11:19 PM
Thomen wrote:
Nicolas_Frost wrote:
Solution #1: Go Commando for AREA EFFECT WEAPONS so you can hit multiple MObs simultaniously. There are cooldowns on specials so that they don't get spammed once per second or alternated with damage attacks. The answer to your problem is there, you just have to be willing to do what is neccesary to achieve it.Thats only a Solution to have the group of Mobs mezzed ONCE. You and your group have then the Option to a.) Hope for the best; b.) Split up and try to keep all remaining mobs busy after the daze effects wears off and then stop fighting so that you can mez them again. Keeping them busy should be done right when the Daze wears off.. otherwise.. you will have a dead smuggler there, that gets jumped by a group of Mobs. -Or, you can plan ahead, mez an entire group, tell everyone who to attack first(preferably going for the highest damage dealer). Concentrate your fire, and kill them. When the first Concussion Shot wears off, use it again. If the first target isn't dead yet. Include him in the mez, to keep him from healing. Once the group is mezzed again, continue as you had earlier. Tactics.
Solution #2: Take your worst opponent out of the fight. Continue to fight other guys off for a few seconds. Take your second worst opponent out of the fight. Continue this. Don't be surprised when trying to solo multiple opponents that its increasingly difficult. Its ment to be that way. Fight tactically, and try to take them on as few at a time as possible.I m not worried about fighting multiple Mobs alone.. i m so not gonna do that. Burt Run FTW.
Message Edited by Nicolas_Frost on 06-26-200502:15 AM
lspiderl wrote:you know i find it funny that everyones solution to the changes on concusion shot isUH..well if u get comando .....I DONT WANT TO BE A COMANDO NEVERWANTED TO BE A COMANDO NEVER WILL WANT TO BE A COMANDO
IM A FREAKIN SMUGLER PISTOLEER AND SHOULDNT HAVE TO TAKE COMANDO JUST SO THAT MY ELITE PROFESION IS FREAKIN USEFULL OMG WAKE UP AND SMELL THE FOAM CUZ THE NERF BAT IS HEADING OUR WAY WITH A VENGANCE
Okay, what happens when someone with only Master Smuggler(No other skills besides prerequisits) takes on a Master Smuggler who's also master of another elite profession and a couple branches in a third? More often than not, they get thier ass handed to them. Commando isn't the only solution, its a solution.
That does not mean Pure Master Smuggler is useless, that simply means they aren't as versitile. Don't want to pick up Commando? That's your choice. But don't whine when you are unable to use Concussion on multiple people at once with a single attack. Its not that you can't, its that you're not willing to do what is neccesary to get that ability.
Besides, getting any skills in Commando doesn't make you a Commando, likewise, getting any skills in Smuggler doesn't make you a Smuggler. Attitude is. I have a couple branches in Commando, but I call myself a Smuggler, because I'm adding Commando skills into my template to enhance myself as a Smuggler. Not to make my Smuggler skills viable.
Oh, and almost forgot, Congratulations.
Nicolas_Frost wrote:
Thomen wrote:
Nicolas_Frost wrote:
Solution #1: Go Commando for AREA EFFECT WEAPONS so you can hit multiple MObs simultaniously. There are cooldowns on specials so that they don't get spammed once per second or alternated with damage attacks. The answer to your problem is there, you just have to be willing to do what is neccesary to achieve it.
Thats only a Solution to have the group of Mobs mezzed ONCE. You and your group have then the Option to a.) Hope for the best; b.) Split up and try to keep all remaining mobs busy after the daze effects wears off and then stop fighting so that you can mez them again. Keeping them busy should be done right when the Daze wears off.. otherwise.. you will have a dead smuggler there, that gets jumped by a group of Mobs. -Or, you can plan ahead, mez an entire group, tell everyone who to attack first(preferably going for the highest damage dealer). Concentrate your fire, and kill them. When the first Concussion Shot wears off, use it again. If the first target isn't dead yet. Include him in the mez, to keep him from healing. Once the group is mezzed again, continue as you had earlier. Tactics.
Solution #2: Take your worst opponent out of the fight. Continue to fight other guys off for a few seconds. Take your second worst opponent out of the fight. Continue this. Don't be surprised when trying to solo multiple opponents that its increasingly difficult. Its ment to be that way. Fight tactically, and try to take them on as few at a time as possible.
I m not worried about fighting multiple Mobs alone.. i m so not gonna do that. Burt Run FTW.
Message Edited by Nicolas_Frost on 06-26-200502:15 AM
lspiderl wrote:
you know i find it funny that everyones solution to the changes on concusion shot is
UH..well if u get comando .....
I DONT WANT TO BE A COMANDO NEVERWANTED TO BE A COMANDO NEVER WILL WANT TO BE A COMANDO
IM A FREAKIN SMUGLER PISTOLEER AND SHOULDNT HAVE TO TAKE COMANDO JUST SO THAT MY ELITE PROFESION IS FREAKIN USEFULL OMG WAKE UP AND SMELL THE FOAM CUZ THE NERF BAT IS HEADING OUR WAY WITH A VENGANCE
Okay, what happens when someone with only Master Smuggler(No other skills besides prerequisits) takes on a Master Smuggler who's also master of another elite profession and a couple branches in a third? More often than not, they get thier ass handed to them. Commando isn't the only solution, its a solution.
That does not mean Pure Master Smuggler is useless, that simply means they aren't as versitile. Don't want to pick up Commando? That's your choice. But don't whine when you are unable to use Concussion on multiple people at once with a single attack. Its not that you can't, its that you're not willing to do what is neccesary to get that ability.
Besides, getting any skills in Commando doesn't make you a Commando, likewise, getting any skills in Smuggler doesn't make you a Smuggler. Attitude is. I have a couple branches in Commando, but I call myself a Smuggler, because I'm adding Commando skills into my template to enhance myself as a Smuggler. Not to make my Smuggler skills viable.
Oh, and almost forgot, Congratulations.
So whats your point? You gonna flame me because i dont agree on having a timer on the Daze Effects? I dont care if you are Commando, BH or whatever. I have Commando in my Template aswell, especialy to apply the Daze to a Group of Mobs. But that doesnt dimisses the Point. You will be unable to apply it until the timer is off. Until then, its happy Smuggler whacking.
Message Edited by JoKen_Jash on 06-26-2005 11:38 PM
Ahh ok. sorry 
BUT..
Concentrate your fire, and kill them. When the first Concussion Shot wears off, use it again. If the first target isn't dead yet. Include him in the mez, to keep him from healing. Once the group is mezzed again, continue as you had earlier. Tactics.
This is not gonna work, because of the timer thats on the target for the daze re-use
JoKen_Jash wrote:
That's the point, having dazes that break on damage and have a reapply timer, of whatever length, is TOO harsh. The devs had better choose one or the other, or else it'll be practically useless. It doesn't make any sense other than to the jedi can't handle it and can't be creative so they cry for nerfs.And that's what it comes down to.Message Edited by JoKen_Jash on 06-26-2005 11:38 PM
Its about balance, and its for the same reason why you can't successfully use a knockdown on one target several times in quick sucession.
Nicolas_Frost wrote:
JoKen_Jash wrote:
That's the point, having dazes that break on damage and have a reapply timer, of whatever length, is TOO harsh. The devs had better choose one or the other, or else it'll be practically useless. It doesn't make any sense other than to the jedi can't handle it and can't be creative so they cry for nerfs.
And that's what it comes down to.
Message Edited by JoKen_Jash on 06-26-2005 11:38 PM
Its about balance, and its for the same reason why you can't successfully use a knockdown on one target several times in quick sucession.
For PvP i can understand the timer on daze, but not in PvE.
Thomen wrote:Ahh ok. sorry
BUT..
Concentrate your fire, and kill them. When the first Concussion Shot wears off, use it again. If the first target isn't dead yet. Include him in the mez, to keep him from healing. Once the group is mezzed again, continue as you had earlier. Tactics.
This is not gonna work, because of the timer thats on the target for the daze re-use
It doesn't have to be immediately. Also, this is for a group, you'll likely have people with snares, roots, skills that slow attack speeds, and other such abilities. Use them all to keep your opponents from getting you. Know what skills you have, what skills your teammates, and how to use them.
Thomen wrote:
For PvP i can understand the timer on daze, but not in PvE.