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Thread: Smuggler missions and why we need them?
"Psst. Hey! You! I hear you're, er, shall we say an expert in 'transportations'? Good good. You wanna earn some credits? Sure you do!Head to the Cantina is Mos Entha, a guy called San will talk you through what we want you to do, and the more discreet you are, the better, capiche?."
(Mission Terminals are a no-go for me, an NPC somewhere in Jabba's, Lucky Despot or other Dive is the only way to go to keep up an atmosphere.)
"Well if it isn't old Kynth Fyra back in looking for work! The boss isn't going to be happy with you after you ditched that last spice shipment, but I think I can persuade him to do business with you again. But if I scratch your back, you gotta scratch mine, understand? I need some tickets in Jabba's Boxfor the Boonta Eve race, but I don't want to pay for them..."
(We need to make sure there's some nice NPC scripts in the Smuggler mission system, with the NPC's taking note of faction levels).
"This is the Imperial Gunship Imperious, we have you in a tractor beam. Prepare to be boarded!"
(Now, if I could escort a few Stormtroopers around my Decimator or YT-1300, demonstrate the empty cargo hold or maybe distract a 'Trooperwithbanalconversation about tonights Pod Racing when he is stood next to my Smuggler Cargo Hold until his lieutenant calls the search off, that'd be cool.)
You're a kiss a**.
Go read the History Thread again and remind yourself that they've said all of this at least TWICE before.
tralita_tusnami wrote:
listen here jedi, god im not sure why im actualy posting to you being that your a jedi.
that entire post im not going to even quote because its not worth my time, is the same rehashed garbage that has been floating around here for over a year. please stop insulting, is it just me or were there post by dev's in here till everyother post was cynical then it stoped? hmmm lets check, yep the more cynical the posting got the fewer and fewer posts by dev's came in.
please reread my last paragraph... hell ill bring it here
JediArashi wrote:
tralita_tusnami wrote:
Please consider all this, when you are starving and you begin to look down your nose at the perfectly good boll of soup in front of you because it’s made of wood instead of fine china. The DEV’s are talking to us, telling us is going on, and seemingly willing to overlook all the data and come up with a plan to fix our current situation.
ya i can see where you did EXACTLY as i said people would do. funny, he he. You looked down your nose at a system they COULD IMMPLAMENT because its not up to your fine china standards. You have champaine tates on a beer budget. I know i have a beer budget and im going to be happy with beer as long as its cold when it gets here. the longer YOU delay the process and say its not good enough before even trying it the longer the beer sits around growing bitter. and the longer that goes on the more YOU want. I personaly would LOVE to have a system by the end of next month lets set a date, it took ONE weekend to (im not going to say revamp) Recharge the BH missions. lets give them to the 23 of September thats almost 6 weeks to fully integrate a system to the TEST CENTER servers addcontent and make sure it works, as with the BH system there will undoubted be tweeks, but the longer this is delayed the longer it takes to get those tweeks and longer we sit around here.
Tralita, you need to take a deep breath and calm down. Talk about negativity -- you said: "listen here jedi, god im not sure why im actualy posting to you being that your a jedi." It is hard to take you seriously when you stoop to prejudice. (No, I am not a Jedi nor do I want to be.) JediArashi is a respected member of this community and that was uncalled for.
You oviously want to be respected and are trying to be a "leader" in this community. Try to set a good example, then, if you want to be a leader. This sets a bad example.
You call what he posted "garbage" (that's a bit negative, isn't it?) and you said: "yep the more cynical the posting got the fewer and fewer posts by dev's came in." Youare tryingto make a corellation between OUR (smugglers as a community) behavior and Developer participation on our forum and Smugglers actually getting to smuggle. You are at the least naive, at the worst, uninformed.
I have watched this forum for two years. We have tried everything -- from positive/constructive to frustration dashed with humor, to outright expressed anger and then back to constructive dashed with "fawning," then frustration and humor, then to anger again. There have been several cycles of this over the last two years. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING has made a difference. So to say that it DOES is... well as I said above, naive and/or uninformed. SOE's behavior has been unaffected by our approach and remained consistent throughout our interactions: They post when they want to, when it suits them and we have yet to SMUGGLE. Our history, which we have carefully kept, PROVES that.
Do not blame the historically abysmal lack of communication between SOE and the Smugglers on the Smuggler community.
You say: "the longer YOU delay the process and say its not good enough before even trying it the longer the beer sits around growing bitter." How dare you blame any delays regarding Smugglers actually Smuggling on any paying customer? SOE has had two years (and countless ideas -- many documents written by this community as well as by GreenMarine with input from this community, as recently as last year) to implement this.
Do not blamethe delayof Smugglers actually Smuggling on this community.
LM wrote:
tralita_tusnami wrote:
listen here jedi, god im not sure why im actualy posting to you being that your a jedi.
that entire post im not going to even quote because its not worth my time, is the same rehashed garbage that has been floating around here for over a year. please stop insulting, is it just me or were there post by dev's in here till everyother post was cynical then it stoped? hmmm lets check, yep the more cynical the posting got the fewer and fewer posts by dev's came in.
please reread my last paragraph... hell ill bring it here
JediArashi wrote:
tralita_tusnami wrote:
Please consider all this, when you are starving and you begin to look down your nose at the perfectly good boll of soup in front of you because it’s made of wood instead of fine china. The DEV’s are talking to us, telling us is going on, and seemingly willing to overlook all the data and come up with a plan to fix our current situation.
ya i can see where you did EXACTLY as i said people would do. funny, he he. You looked down your nose at a system they COULD IMMPLAMENT because its not up to your fine china standards. You have champaine tates on a beer budget. I know i have a beer budget and im going to be happy with beer as long as its cold when it gets here. the longer YOU delay the process and say its not good enough before even trying it the longer the beer sits around growing bitter. and the longer that goes on the more YOU want. I personaly would LOVE to have a system by the end of next month lets set a date, it took ONE weekend to (im not going to say revamp) Recharge the BH missions. lets give them to the 23 of September thats almost 6 weeks to fully integrate a system to the TEST CENTER servers addcontent and make sure it works, as with the BH system there will undoubted be tweeks, but the longer this is delayed the longer it takes to get those tweeks and longer we sit around here.
Tralita, you need to take a deep breath and calm down. Talk about negativity -- you said: "listen here jedi, god im not sure why im actualy posting to you being that your a jedi." It is hard to take you seriously when you stoop to prejudice. (No, I am not a Jedi nor do I want to be.) JediArashi is a respected member of this community and that was uncalled for.
You oviously want to be respected and are trying to be a "leader" in this community. Try to set a good example, then, if you want to be a leader. This sets a bad example.
You call what he posted "garbage" (that's a bit negative, isn't it?) and you said: "yep the more cynical the posting got the fewer and fewer posts by dev's came in." You are trying to make a corellation between OUR (smugglers as a community) behavior and Developer participation on our forum and Smugglers actually getting to smuggle. You are at the least naive, at the worst, uninformed.
I have watched this forum for two years. We have tried everything -- from positive/constructive to frustration dashed with humor, to outright expressed anger and then back to constructive dashed with "fawning," then frustration and humor, then to anger again. There have been several cycles of this over the last two years. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING has made a difference. So to say that it DOES is... well as I said above, naive and/or uninformed. SOE's behavior has been unaffected by our approach and remained consistent throughout our interactions: They post when they want to, when it suits them and we have yet to SMUGGLE. Our history, which we have carefully kept, PROVES that.
Do not blame the historically abysmal lack of communication between SOE and the Smugglers on the Smuggler community.
You say: "the longer YOU delay the process and say its not good enough before even trying it the longer the beer sits around growing bitter." How dare you blame any delays regarding Smugglers actually Smuggling on any paying customer? SOE has had two years (and countless ideas -- many documents written by this community as well as by GreenMarine with input from this community, as recently as last year) to implement this.
Do not blame the delay of Smugglers actually Smuggling on this community.
I have been reading your posts and you have some really good ideas. But earlier in this thread you said: "well i have tried to keep the smugglers on track, but the cynics have finaly started seeing that they werent in the middle of the idea and jsut started calling it crap, most destrubing."When I read your statment above, it seems to me that you are attempting to negate other people's disagreements with some of your ideas by saying they are jealous, much like those Jedi who believe that other players' objections to their overwhelming numbers is based upon "saber envy." This is ridiculous and I am sure I do not have to explain why.I do, deep in my heart, have a very faint glimmer of hope regarding the possibility of having smuggling implemented. But like many others here, I am jaded -- I have seen it all before, many times, over the last two years, so you will have to excuse me if I adopt a "wait and see" attitude.It is true: some of us have been very negative and angry, but I think we all much prefer being positive (I know I do). I think the best way for you to "rally the troops" (if that is your aim) is to remain positive in your OWN posts and not respond to the negative ones.
QFE.
And I have to add, saying that you are "trying to keep the smugglers on track" do not make you look like a leader: it make you look arrogant. Heck WesBelden is our Corespondant and he NEVER posted like that. You said in another thread "Im sorry to see you go, I will see you over THERE, but the have been in constant contact with me for the last 4 days after that tuesday tip." I assume you are saying there the Devs are in constant contact with YOU. (there is a word missing in that sentence but it is what I assume you meant, if I am wrong I apologise)That would surprise me very much too.
You present good ideas, not arguing that. I NEVER protested or blamed anyone for posting ideas. Even if it is a 10000th "Smuggling system proposal". I respect and admire your love of this profession and your fire. But just like I argued with another Smuggler for daring to critic my choice to keep playing, I have to protest your arrogance and disdainful attitude toward a good part of this community. It might not be who you really are mind you, online communication is limited. But it is how you are perceived. I supported you in other threads because I liked what you wrote. I am opposing you here because I don't like what you wrote.
Got me to do something I almost never do: post something negative, specially to another Smuggler. "grumbles" I HATE that.
Message Edited by LaughingWolf on 08-13-2005 03:00 PM
Message Edited by Grunzer on 08-13-2005 12:32 AM
Message Edited by Grunzer on 08-13-2005 12:32 AM
Okay, I think everyone one in here needs to calm down a bit. Yes, Tralita -IS- a kissass... But, kissing ass so far has gotten us -SOME- info, so it can't be that bad right? To the angry veterans here... Yes, we've been screwed over and butt-f#cked for a long time, but if you're that angry, don't be angry at fellow smugglers, but the Dev's instead. Am I angry at the Dev's? Of course I am! But I had to kiss JFreeman's ass to know whether they trashed the In Concept systems or not (which could very well be a lie), and what sort of direction they are going with (which again could be a lie)... I have to agree with you, another "Let's pool our ideas thread" would get on my nerve, because there would be a ton of noobs to explain to when they say, "Wow! I mean, wow! This is great! This should be in the next publish! Do you mind if I ignore all the past posts and add something that has been said 300,000 times for two years?" ... That public show of ignorance gets on my nerves too... The truth? I don't really think they're going to get tomaking smuggling for a LONG while... Maybe never... But I'm not putting outthe little spark of hope I have left. And in the mean-time, I'll keep myself occupied with the rest of this great game, that I happen to really enjoy dispite its short-commings.But lighten up a little bit, okay? Its still just a video game... A video game that we have to pay an arm and a leg for monthly, true, but its still a game.
P.S. Terminals are lame!
Message Edited by LaughingWolf on 08-13-2005 04:51 PM
The smuggler forum is beginning to sound like that other whiny board we all love, and I would hate to be forced into ignoring the only board I truly read anymore. Personally I'm sick of hearing the same old crap from devs I heard a couple years back. I don't even trust patch notes. I only believe what I see in-game.
Remember what brought us all together in the first place.
It's time to focus again. I reckon it's time to go back to the chain of command. Clear and concise action to Wes, who can then in turn pass it along.
But of course it's a choice. You gots people here who are happy to go through another two-year cycle of BS and broken promises, and you've got people who just don't give a mynock's genitalia anymore. Seriously, it don't matter where you stand, as long as you stand other. But for all that's holy to us, remember why we came together. There should only be smuggler co-operation at this point. Not dissent.
Pull yourselves together.
On each planet starport you place an NPC that crafters can offer missions for smugglers to.
They can offer crates of resources and set a reward for the smuggler of their own choosing, the smugglers can then choose to accept the mission, getting the same kind of mission lists now generated.
The resources to be smuggled are placed in his datapad and not accessible or viewable to the smuggler,as other then "crate of unknown content" etc
He then proceeds to actually smuggle these resources to another planet and another NPC for delivery.
Once the mission is successful stats on the resources get a 5-10% bonus,to either all or some random stats.
Also a concept possible for other items and stuffs.
The actual missions should also be challenging, and upon failure you would get the same value reduction on the smuggled item as penalty.
To avoid any kind of abuse people failing missions on purpose etc you could have a system where a smuggler accepts the mission and then he himself is accepted as smuggler by the mission giver. That way good smugglers can make a name for themselves as well.
Message Edited by Xscape on 08-14-2005 04:03 PM
Personally, I like the idea of the smuggling missions but I would like to offer my opinion:
1) Smuggler Mission terminals is a bad idea. The principal is good, but the implementation isn't. If I was a criminal, I wouldn't advertise the need for a discretecurrier on a public, and probably an imperial monitered monitored board system.
Personally, I would like to see an 'underworld contact' that would give you a list of missions that you could undertake. From there, that contact would give you a waypoint to the location of your cargo / dealer / contact etc.
From there, it would then be your mission to move that illegal cargo from that location, to the desired location without getting dead.
Obviously, this system could be opened up to add some more interesting mission twists such as a double cross, ambush or even just being rumbled very soon after taking the mission, and then having to run / fight / fly your way out.
2) Space Travel: Now, in the described system, the only problem that would make smuggling easy would be travel from one place to another offers no risk, because of instant travel. The other issue would be that since each planet has just one landing station, you could argue that these places (of the civilised systems) would carry some sort of cargo scanner to ensure that people dont bring illegal goods to the planet.
I would therefore like to propose 2 things:
A) Have the delivery point to be in some place in space.
B) Allow players to 'illegally' land on the planet without going through the landing station.
I really like the idea of having smuggling missions, but I really think that to make a profession out of it, smugglers should have a HUGE advantage in smuggling missions over non-smugglers. The only thing I worry about is that these missions turn into a standard delivery mission - cross planet but with a little bit of risk once you reach a space port. If that is the case, then the system wouldn't offer anything new and interesting to the smugglers of the game.