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Thread: I have a treat for you...

zounds_klaxons
Wed Dec 01, 2004 10:56 am
#157






SWG-Goliath wrote:





Wili wrote:
OT Question: When will we hear more about the Combat Uprade?






an interesting read, even if your not a combat professional:


http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=correspondent_development&message.id=2110









i'm at work and my browser is blocking that link. would you mind posting the contents of that for me? thanks in advance!



Zounds Klaxons
Kettemoor

All the dead ghosts of rock and roll
Are gonna follow you wherever you go
SWG-Goliath
Wed Dec 01, 2004 10:56 am
#158

DOH!


Man sorry guys. i forget i get access to EVERYTHING with this account. MY humblest and sincerest appologies.


/smack self





Master Artist
Rothin
Wed Dec 01, 2004 10:58 am
#159






SWG-Goliath wrote:

DOH!


Man sorry guys. i forget i get access to EVERYTHING with this account. MY humblest and sincerest appologies.


/smack self








Don't smack yourself too hard, I'm going through the same pains, though I don't get everything.. yet!



Rothin Skyshrine

Retired Galactic Senator
Former Player Association Correspondent
"A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both."

zounds_klaxons
Wed Dec 01, 2004 10:59 am
#160






SWG-Goliath wrote:

DOH!


Man sorry guys. i forget i get access to EVERYTHING with this account. MY humblest and sincerest appologies.


/smack self






it's cool. just do a select all + copy + paste, and all will be forgiven.




Zounds Klaxons
Kettemoor

All the dead ghosts of rock and roll
Are gonna follow you wherever you go
LaughingWolf
Wed Dec 01, 2004 11:05 am
#161

Mmmm you are lucky it didn't work, eh Goliath? "chuckles"

Or a certain artist would be in a corner doing penance. lol "Can imagine TH glowering at you"



LaffyWolf'ya - Master Smuggler / Master Pistoleer / Rebel Colonel

Fresh out of witty signatures, sorry.
Jaguarrr
Wed Dec 01, 2004 11:08 am
#162

"Use The Bat Goliath, use The Bat."



We couldn't play SWG without Tiggs. Now we can =)
Nicolas_Frost
Wed Dec 01, 2004 11:30 am
#163


SWG-Goliath wrote:


Shrendyc wrote:


I have to agree with this post - no offense Goliath but you've entered the realm of some of the most mistreated and cynical people to play the game, and you have a red name. Your work is good, and I am not trying to belittle that - I love the sorosuub and space in general. But Tiggs made this "Treat" post, and sadly, you have no say in our revamp and are not in the position to effect any changes whatsoever. So - its nice to see that a developer is playing a smuggler, but in the grand scheme of things, it changes nothing other than lets us know that we'll have some cool art coming to go along with the nothing we get from the people who are scheduling us for our revamp.

But if you are on my server and I see you in game, I'll gladly go hunting and RP with ya, smuggler brother.



That's all good and fine, but if all you can see is the red name, then what chance do i have?

In this game i have played every single profession (to get my jedi)

Before i even came to work for SOE i struggled with all of the players of this game with variouse issues, but loved it still.

My first character was a smuggler, and he still is to this day, and while i do sympathize with the smugglers plight, i manage to find joy in playing the part, and i can't complain about this until i see it played out.

That being said, if you would rather I not post at all, I can keep myself in the beta forums. The last thing I want to do is cause undo stress in this community.

If you are willing to accept me as a fellow smuggler player and nothing more, i'll be happy to stay





Like I said, welcome to the Smuggler forum. I've ment no offence to you, Goliath, and wish to appologize if I did, I simply ment that the fact that a Dev who happens to play a Smuggler, yet has no say in any way to help improve the profession isn't what I classify as a "treat". I'm always glad to meet new Smugglers. We're all sorta like family considering how badly the profession is treated. So to re-iterate: Welcome, Brother.



Shrendyc wrote:

I have to agree with this post - no offense Goliath but you've entered the realm of some of the most mistreated and cynical people to play the game, and you have a red name. Your work is good, and I am not trying to belittle that - I love the sorosuub and space in general. But Tiggs made this "Treat" post, and sadly, you have no say in our revamp and are not in the position to effect any changes whatsoever. So - its nice to see that a developer is playing a smuggler, but in the grand scheme of things, it changes nothing other than lets us know that we'll have some cool art coming to go along with the nothing we get from the people who are scheduling us for our revamp.

But if you are on my server and I see you in game, I'll gladly go hunting and RP with ya, smuggler brother.





Thank you for your agreement.


One last note, I noticed my post had been replied to, however, I also noticed that my post had disappeared from the thread, after an inspection of the post tracker on myself, I saw that I had been given a one-star. A *single* one-star. Only one person voted, and now its gone. Last I remember, for the regular posters here to remove a post, there has to be twenty seperate accounts to one-star that post. I wonder who could have done that... Something smells fishy, and it ain't the Mon Calamari.

So, added below, is me quoting myself, so that people can see what I said to get a single One-Star somehow powerful enough to make my post vanish. How do I /bug the message boards?


Nicolas_Frost wrote:
I've looked at this thread closely, and feel I have my responce, while it may not sound nice, I will state, that due to the fact you can't hear a tone of voice, written communication loses much context. I'm not hostile at all when writnging, simply giving my fair view of things.

Goliath, welcome to the Smuggler forum. I hope you find you like the community. Have a good one.

Tiggs, I do not mean this in any form of offence to you or Goliath, but how is it a "treat" knowing that one developer out of many plays a Smuggler character, and isn't actually one of the guys that make the decisions on how the professions go, but one of the art developers? I'm almost insulted that you would think that telling us one of the game's developers plays a profession here, as if you and the other devs had to spend a *lot* of time looking for this one man. I mean, other than the fact he's an SOE employee and plays the profession this forum is for, out of all the profession forums in the SWG message boards, there's nothing else to mention.
Maybe I would be excited if someone was introduced that plays a Smuggler, wants to make changes to improve this profession, and is in place to effect said changes; then again, maybe not, 'cause I'm just getting tired of hearing "we'll fix you next", followed by, "okay, this time we will fix you next" which precedes "we'll fix you soon" and then "we'll get to you". As many have said, I see so much wasted potential with this profession, and yet, nothing good is being done.
Like I've said, its nice to see a Dev who actually plays a Smuggler, but untill something starts to positively effect Smuggler, I see no "treat".

Nothing here has excited me, nor angered me. I was slightly annoyed, but that's it.




Jaecob Maragi
Babelonian Militia Captain
Master Smuggler and Alliance Pilot
Captain of the LongShot(2)
THE Official Smuggler Forum Smartass!
The prices of my services are based on "tolerance". The more I have to tolerate you, the more you have to pay me.


Shrendyc
Wed Dec 01, 2004 11:36 am
#164


Edited for being completely unobservant - went condition white there a moment.

Message Edited by Shrendyc on 12-01-2004 10:43 AM



"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius --- and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction. "
Nicolas_Frost
Wed Dec 01, 2004 11:40 am
#165

Never said anyone deleted my post, simply said it was one stared, and when checking myself in the post tracker, there was only one vote on it. I'm running the FireFox browser, so when I hover the mouse over a picture, I can't see the embedded text, but if I rightclick, and select properties, I can read the additional text and it tells me that.
I'll check it real quick to verify, I'll edit in my findings.


Edit: Interesting, it now has two votes.

Message Edited by Nicolas_Frost on 12-01-2004 12:41 PM



Jaecob Maragi
Babelonian Militia Captain
Master Smuggler and Alliance Pilot
Captain of the LongShot(2)
THE Official Smuggler Forum Smartass!
The prices of my services are based on "tolerance". The more I have to tolerate you, the more you have to pay me.


LM
Wed Dec 01, 2004 11:47 am
#166






Nicolas_Frost wrote:




SWG-Goliath wrote:





Shrendyc wrote:




I have to agree with this post - no offense Goliath but you've entered the realm of some of the most mistreated and cynical people to play the game, and you have a red name. Your work is good, and I am not trying to belittle that - I love the sorosuub and space in general. But Tiggs made this "Treat" post, and sadly, you have no say in our revamp and are not in the position to effect any changes whatsoever. So - its nice to see that a developer is playing a smuggler, but in the grand scheme of things, it changes nothing other than lets us know that we'll have some cool art coming to go along with the nothing we get from the people who are scheduling us for our revamp.


But if you are on my server and I see you in game, I'll gladly go hunting and RP with ya, smuggler brother.






That's all good and fine, but if all you can see is the red name, then what chance do i have?


In this game i have played every single profession (to get my jedi)


Before i even came to work for SOE i struggled with all of the players of this game with variouse issues, but loved it still.


My first character was a smuggler, and he still is to this day, and while i do sympathize with the smugglers plight, i manage to find joy in playing the part, and i can't complain about this until i see it played out.


That being said, if you would rather I not post at all, I can keep myself in the beta forums. The last thing I want to do is cause undo stress in this community.


If you are willing to accept me as a fellow smuggler player and nothing more, i'll be happy to stay








Like I said, welcome to the Smuggler forum. I've ment no offence to you, Goliath, and wish to appologize if I did, I simply ment that the fact that a Dev who happens to play a Smuggler, yet has no say in any way to help improve the profession isn't what I classify as a "treat". I'm always glad to meet new Smugglers. We're all sorta like family considering how badly the profession is treated. So to re-iterate: Welcome, Brother.






Shrendyc wrote:



I have to agree with this post - no offense Goliath but you've entered the realm of some of the most mistreated and cynical people to play the game, and you have a red name. Your work is good, and I am not trying to belittle that - I love the sorosuub and space in general. But Tiggs made this "Treat" post, and sadly, you have no say in our revamp and are not in the position to effect any changes whatsoever. So - its nice to see that a developer is playing a smuggler, but in the grand scheme of things, it changes nothing other than lets us know that we'll have some cool art coming to go along with the nothing we get from the people who are scheduling us for our revamp.


But if you are on my server and I see you in game, I'll gladly go hunting and RP with ya, smuggler brother.







Thank you for your agreement.


One last note, I noticed my post had been replied to, however, I also noticed that my post had disappeared from the thread, after an inspection of the post tracker on myself, I saw that I had been given a one-star. A *single* one-star. Only one person voted, and now its gone. Last I remember, for the regular posters here to remove a post, there has to be twenty seperate accounts to one-star that post. I wonder who could have done that... Something smells fishy, and it ain't the Mon Calamari.

So, added below, is me quoting myself, so that people can see what I said to get a single One-Star somehow powerful enough to make my post vanish. How do I /bug the message boards?





Nicolas_Frost wrote:
I've looked at this thread closely, and feel I have my responce, while it may not sound nice, I will state, that due to the fact you can't hear a tone of voice, written communication loses much context. I'm not hostile at all when writnging, simply giving my fair view of things.

Goliath, welcome to the Smuggler forum. I hope you find you like the community. Have a good one.

Tiggs, I do not mean this in any form of offence to you or Goliath, but how is it a "treat" knowing that one developer out of many plays a Smuggler character, and isn't actually one of the guys that make the decisions on how the professions go, but one of the art developers? I'm almost insulted that you would think that telling us one of the game's developers plays a profession here, as if you and the other devs had to spend a *lot* of time looking for this one man. I mean, other than the fact he's an SOE employee and plays the profession this forum is for, out of all the profession forums in the SWG message boards, there's nothing else to mention.
Maybe I would be excited if someone was introduced that plays a Smuggler, wants to make changes to improve this profession, and is in place to effect said changes; then again, maybe not, 'cause I'm just getting tired of hearing "we'll fix you next", followed by, "okay, this time we will fix you next" which precedes "we'll fix you soon" and then "we'll get to you". As many have said, I see so much wasted potential with this profession, and yet, nothing good is being done.
Like I've said, its nice to see a Dev who actually plays a Smuggler, but untill something starts to positively effect Smuggler, I see no "treat".

Nothing here has excited me, nor angered me. I was slightly annoyed, but that's it.









Wait a sec, Nicholas; how can you tell that only one person voted? I can't figure out how to see how many people "voted" but then, I am not a board power user (to say the least). Can you tell me how to check this?


I just gave you five stars on your original post to see what would happen, and it did not raise the rating -- it is still at one star. If only one person one-starred you, wouldn't my giving you five stars have raised the rating to at least two, but likely three stars? *confused*


(Shren, his post is not deleted, it got a one-star rating -- so it will not show if you have left the default setting in your "Preferences" in place. The default setting prevents posts under 2 stars from showing.)


Lilac Moon



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Shrendyc
Wed Dec 01, 2004 11:49 am
#167

Thanks, LM - I found it; I wasoblivious a moment and passed over it about 4 times. I also 5 starred him and it didn't move for me either. So something is weird - he's been given perma one star status....



"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius --- and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction. "
Nicolas_Frost
Wed Dec 01, 2004 11:53 am
#168


LM wrote:

Wait a sec, Nicholas; how can you tell that only one person voted? I can't figure out how to see how many people "voted" but then, I am not a board power user (to say the least). Can you tell me how to check this?
I just gave you five stars on your original post to see what would happen, and it did not raise the rating -- it is still at one star. If only one person one-starred you, wouldn't my giving you five stars have raised the rating to at least two, but likely three stars? *confused*
(Shren, his post is not deleted, it got a one-star rating -- so it will not show if you have left the default setting in your "Preferences" in place. The default setting prevents posts under 2 stars from showing.)
Lilac Moon




In IE, most people can hover the mouse pointer over a picture, and if left for a few seconds, text embedded in the image(Third Picture, for example), or the name of the image(pic3.gif, for example), will show up. This doesn't happen in Firefox, so I have to rightclick, then select properties to read the info. That should also work in IE.


Note: Thanks for all the five-stars, but I'm not wanting anything to be raised, just trying to figure out how one person can do that, I've got the board defaults on the same setting, and never before has a single one-star removed a post I could see before it recieved any votes from my view, before or after the board revamp(hell, even the message board got revamped before us. Grrr...).

Message Edited by Nicolas_Frost on 12-01-2004 12:57 PM



Jaecob Maragi
Babelonian Militia Captain
Master Smuggler and Alliance Pilot
Captain of the LongShot(2)
THE Official Smuggler Forum Smartass!
The prices of my services are based on "tolerance". The more I have to tolerate you, the more you have to pay me.


Red-Dwarf
Wed Dec 01, 2004 12:02 pm
#169

Added a third 5star and it now shows 1.1 stars- definately something fishy.

To /bug the forum your best bet is a PM to a yellow name (GarVa, Virrago etc, it was GarVa I think who said the twenty post rule)

To make sure this doesn't effect you again go to My profile - Preferences - Rating Quality Filter - select 1 (all).

No more one stars making posts disappear.




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