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Thread: Nerf call for Last Ditch
Woot Tomo!
Keep fighting the good fight, buddy! You've done wonders for the Pilots!
/hi5
TomoRainer wrote:
After reading that entire thread, I just have to reiterate my love for you guys. Keeping it (mostly) focused and rational despite the obvious emotion any smuggler's feeling at that point is supremely impressive. You know, the silver lining to the smuggler ordeal is it's forged some unshakeable conviction and solidarity between us.
That right there is what I've always loved most about this community, though I'll be the first to admit I've only been apart of it via osmosis, as CapnKate sits about a foot to my right. The Smuggler community is one of the very few actual *communities* in this game. Whenever I start losing hope in this game, I come here and read for a while, and it really brightens my day. (And makes me angry at Jedi, but that's another story altogether. *laugh*)
Zeon_Zaku wrote:
Oh boy...well, I guess our skills were good while they lasted (even if Low Blow no longer has a knockdown).
If Jedi are complaining, then there's no doubt the Devs will do something about it ASAP. After all, the Jedi are the Dev's babies. If any other profession asked, they'd be put on hold for a few years. But since it's Jedi... well...
*Puts on his nerf bat-proof armor.*
Im sorry you dont have a cert for that armour but i know exactly where that bats is going to be put /shudder
- change the Feign Death skill mod to something like 'Dirty Tricks'
- link FD chance to stick with the new skill mod (along the lines of 40% chance at Novice and 80% chance at Master)
- link LD damage to it, too (~1k dmg at Novice and the damage as it is now at Master lvl)
- distribute the skill mod through all Underworld and Dirty Fighting lines (forgot their post-CU names
) with a nice +20 or +40 bonus in the Master box
This would discourage dabblers, but at the same time enable Novices to level up without any handicap forced on them.
While it's still a nerf to characters with Smuggler in their template and I'm highly against nerfing anything connected with Smugglers, I feel it's the only way to keep Masters and those that want to be Masters someday unscathed when the Jedi get their way.
Message Edited by mka on 05-13-2005 06:30 PM
Whoa.... I think I'm in love!
MISTagent01 wrote:
BTW, this is my post on that thread (just in case it gets deleted) :
I haven't read this entire thread, and I'm most likely not going to. However, as a Master Smuggler, I feel the need to speak up.
For those Jedi that believe Last Ditch is an "I win" button (or even an "I win sometimes" button,) it should be.
Know why? Because we've been screwed for the last two years, waiting behind two Jedi revamps (one for aspiring Jedi, and one for active Jedi)just to get some love. Excuse me if I'm not sympathetic to the cause. We are an iconic profession too, there's three, lest you should forget. Let us have one move that isn't broken that we can use that makes us feel likescum.
It's a Last Ditch, I've used it and incapped people, I've used it and been incapped. There's no guarantee, so please don't come hunting for us because you are afraid of dying and losing XP.
Do you know what half of us Smugglerswould give to be huntedby a PC BH? A lot more than most of you are willing to give, apparently.
You're a Jedi...you should rarely, if ever be out PvPing. If there's a BH hunting you down, assume they have LD (just like BlackJack, always assume the dealer has a 10 facedown.) We're rogues, we're not supposed to fight fair. BH falls in the same category...we're going to find any way to beat you. With the respec, you saw a lot of Smugglers take up MBH. You want to know why? Because we hate you. We're tired of takinga backseat to your incessant complaining about our profession, and now we can do something about it.
I have an ace up my sleeve, so you better start thinking of ways to beat it.
Have a nice day.
SPACE, GCW, PvP, PvE, DWB runs 
Datink_Nieleft wrote:
/grumblecakes!!!!I do not feel bad about killing low level padawans, I just never had a reason till now.
I feel bad for Paddies. All this nonesense from full-template Jedi and the Defender issues is going to slam down hard on them. But since many of them are headed right for Defender ad nauseum... eh.
CapnKate wrote:
Rissen wrote:
ok i am gonna weigh in here I am a smuggler and a force user(im dark side so i don't really consider myself "jedi")
anyway I have been a master smuggler for a good while. feign death was an annoyance to bh/jedi but never should have been nerfed as it was. moved or effectiveness changed to be level based but not nerfed.
Last Ditch presents a bit of an issue. 1 on 1 its a interesting tactic that may or may not save the day for you but if a group of 4-5 vs 1 comes then last ditch can be certain death.
Once again i agree it should be more effective at master and less so for dabblers but not nerfed away or to uselessness.
As for why jedi should be able to beat anything including 5 bh's they shouldn't but if 5 bh's is going to be a regular occurance from novice to master then from mid way on i should have a POSSIBLITY of winning.
If a person desides to be master smuggler master bh then they would have every right to use this skill. personally i think the bh contracts should be lowered to 3 outstanding instead so that a jedi (supposedly 1.5 times other templates) has a somewhat reasonable chance. I am no defender and that is a different story as to whether it is over powered. If it is then balance it, personally having to explicitly pick up defense is lame to me any way i would prefer to be set up similar to other profs where defenses are mixed in.
So in conclusion i hope they adjust where the skill is or gets good not the end result of the skill...and i anxiously await changes to slicing, spices, and smuggler missions!!!!
So, if 5 BHs is the problem, why are we nerfing SMUGGLER, again? That's what I want to know, because it doesn't seem like we're the problem at all. Now... 5-on-1 happening, and BHs feeling that 5-1 is necessary because of the insanity that is a MAster Defender template, that's a serious issue. But LD has NOTHING to do with that. My beef with jedi is they choose to address LD as the problem. IT IS NOT. I am, however, starting to think Jedi in general are the problem, however. I can't blame BH. They're making the best of a bad situation, nothing more.
FIX THE CAUSE, NOT THE SYMPTOMS.
you might notice i said DO NOT NERF THIS SKILL but either move it or make it increase in effectiveness as you near master. Even more so i completely agreed that it would have been better to drop the # of BH's to a possible 3 still plenty enough for this skill to be used by a master bh/master smuggler and have his 2 buddies finish any would be master defender. I realize the anger here, i was really pissed when we were nerfed for FD and also back when the LB/LD combo got a nerf tweak...same with crate pulling and our ineffectiveness compared to chef foods(guess that one got a tweak huh?)
what would be bad about put a modifier that gets better at master to make it just like it is now??
Let the Jedi whine about it, the last ditch is just that... our last chance, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
Let the Jedi whine about it, the last ditch is just that... our last chance, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
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Amen.....so far I haven't been able to get work on a Jedi yet....every attempt has resulted in me being incapped and jedi with zero damage