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WesBelden

Fri Sep 16, 2005 9:45 pm

Edit: The quote below indicates that Rangers could end up having missions designed to prevent Smugglers from successfully delivering their cargo (albeit for specific Smuggling missions with which the player is informed of the Ranger threat before accepting it).

Helios_SOE wrote:
You won't be able to PvP steal from other players when the system launches. It is supported, but content hasn't been created to make us of this capability yet. If/When the content does go in, it will probably be more in the direction of the Bounty-Hunter/Jedi relationship - where someone (a smuggler, just for instance) would consent to carrying a stealable item (some illegal spice, just for instance), knowing another player will get a mission to try and come steal it from them. It's almost like a game of capture the flag (gotta write that one down!).

You won't, however, be able to take anything from anyone's normal inventory.
For now, though - it's strictly a PvE ability (with the possibility of a PvP component down the line).

Discuss

Message Edited by WesBelden on 09-17-2005 02:13 PM

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KenjiTokugawa

Fri Sep 16, 2005 9:52 pm

#2

ack! I am going to be my own worst enemy!

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BaronJuJu

Fri Sep 16, 2005 11:09 pm

#3

Sounds like an interesting skill, however I don't really see the point of having it. Especially if all you are going to get is the same money/items that you would normally get killing them.

Couple of questions though:

1. Person #1 stealths to a NPC and successfully steals from it. Person #2 comes up not knowing that Person #1 is there and kills the NPC. Does Person #2 get anything for thier troubles?

2. Does this skill apply only to NPC humanoid types and non-animals? If animals/creatures are included all I have to say is.......Krayt Graveyard will be filled with players we will never see.

3. Will the steal ability be useable on quest based characters (Grevious, etc.)? God I hope not.

Daxuk
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megacrafter

Fri Sep 16, 2005 11:37 pm

#4

BaronJuJu wrote:

Sounds like an interesting skill, however I don't really see the point of having it. Especially if all you are going to get is the same money/items that you would normally get killing them.

Couple of questions though:

1. Person #1 stealths to a NPC and successfully steals from it. Person #2 comes up not knowing that Person #1 is there and kills the NPC. Does Person #2 get anything for thier troubles?

2. Does this skill apply only to NPC humanoid types and non-animals? If animals/creatures are included all I have to say is.......Krayt Graveyard will be filled with players we will never see.

3. Will the steal ability be useable on quest based characters (Grevious, etc.)? God I hope not.

1) yes the do stealing will not affect anything they may be looted from killing the npc

2) i would say NPCs only as you cant reach into a krayts pockets to steal stufff from them cna you

3) i pray to god not but knowing the devs it wont matter who you steal from it will only ever give you ever 20-500c or some crudy loot thing that you cna loot of lvl 1 npcs

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WesBelden

Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:18 am

#5

The way Helios explained what's available on NPCs that can be stolen is that each has a limited number of small bags on them, each containing different loot items (presumably some good, some not so useful); There are a limited number on each NPC, so once all the bags have been stolen, there won't be any more until the NPC is killed (assuming it respawns).

These bags are only on NPCs and are completely seperate from what someone would receive for killing the NPC.

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KloudRunner

Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:29 am

#6

sounds like a cool addition. Smuggler takes mission, Ranger steals cargo, Smuggler gets a Bounty, Bounty Hunter hunts down Smuggler and/or Ranger

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Mentski

Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:36 am

#7

What I dont like about this is the smuggler... someone who is supposed to be able to deliver an item illicitly and by stealth (dictionary definition), ends up walking through the city carrying his cargo, plain as day, while the guy asked to steal it can use his stealth holomijig to go invisible and snatch it out of his pocket.

Not that rangers SHOULDN'T have this skill. But smugglers really need something akin to it to make sure this possible encounter isn'ttotally one-sided.

I still stand by the fact that we musthave the skillsto try and AVOID encounters whenever possible. 'Tis the smuggler way.

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SmugglinZane

Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:51 am

#8

I have4 comments at this point.

1. We better be next.

2. Sneaking around, fine, stealing fine. What I'm trying to figure out at this point is why, since Rangers are not direct combat related like us, do they not get more combat moves. This does not bode well for us at all. It makes me think that we are pretty much screwed.I've been waiting to see how they handle Ranger as an indicator for us. They gave us way too much direct combat related skills. We're either gonna get them pulled, or we're gonna get a minimal smuggling system.

3. WHY THE HELL CAN'T WE GET A REVAMP?!?!?!?! Seriously, they "don't" want to focus onlarge scale profession revamps, yet others are getting them. Once again, the rule that is applied to us, is never applied to the rest of the game. Wes, this IS a question that needs to get answered at this point. They've now brought theft into the game. Having a smuggling system SHOULD not be that far off. Better yet, they say PvP theft is supported, so PfP smuggling SHOULD now be supported (at least in the minds of the team).

4.They are STILL only talking about spice as a smuggled item. That means a singular smuggling system that will do nothing but drive down the demand for spice since the cost will become higher. Not only that, but the only thing they talk about stealing is from a smuggler. So we're finally gonna get a smuggling system, where we can't really smuggle for the player base, but we can have it stolen from us by players?

I got nothin but love for the Rangers. This has nothing to do with them. What the dev team has announced has brought nothing but additional questions and concerns for this profession. Once again, we're left hanging. Left with an answer that only applies to us (no more revamps). Left with only meaningless references to a singular, pointless smuggling system that we've been begging for for over 2 years, that everyday we lose hope of getting.

"Jedi claims of being "broken" are like saying "But my TV isn't widescreen! It's broken! My TV can't show high-def pictures in 1080i, it can only do 720i! It's broken!" Meanwhile, crafters are saying "We'd really like to have a TV that's larger than 12" and gets more than 4 channels and doesn't constantly lose vertical control", and entertainers are saying "Can we get some color instead of this B&W piece of junk?" And smugglers? We're listening to radio programs of "The Shadow" and "The Abbot and Costello Comedy Hour" and hearing FDR's Fireside Chats. We don't even HAVE a damn TV, much less a broken one or a "broken" one by Jedi standards. I'd LOVE to be as "broken" as they are." - The Legendary Solo4114

Rogue135

Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:01 am

#9

My only question is, if a Ranger starts stealing my cargo do I get to shoot 'em?

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SmugglinZane

Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:03 am

#10

Rogue135 wrote:
My only question is, if a Ranger starts stealing my cargo do I get to shoot 'em?

We better get to shoot them. Hell, they better give us something better than just spice to smuggle if we're gonna have to deal with players stealing from us.

"Jedi claims of being "broken" are like saying "But my TV isn't widescreen! It's broken! My TV can't show high-def pictures in 1080i, it can only do 720i! It's broken!" Meanwhile, crafters are saying "We'd really like to have a TV that's larger than 12" and gets more than 4 channels and doesn't constantly lose vertical control", and entertainers are saying "Can we get some color instead of this B&W piece of junk?" And smugglers? We're listening to radio programs of "The Shadow" and "The Abbot and Costello Comedy Hour" and hearing FDR's Fireside Chats. We don't even HAVE a damn TV, much less a broken one or a "broken" one by Jedi standards. I'd LOVE to be as "broken" as they are." - The Legendary Solo4114

Zeon_Zaku

Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:23 am

#11

This sounds more like a skill that would belong to Smugglers...

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SmugglinZane

Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:41 am

#12

Stealing, no not really. Unless it's stealing an identity or the key/code to something we have to get past... but we have slicing for that if it were ever implemented properly.

What's troubling is 2 fold:

1. They're still only talking about really smuggling spice.

2. They're talking about us being content for Rangers. I have no problem being content for another profession, but give it a better reasoning than stealing spice from me. Make em take missions to interrupt me smuggling for someone's rival. Make it something worthwhile, not just "as part of the new smuggling missions, Rangers can steal spice from Smugglers running said missions".

"Jedi claims of being "broken" are like saying "But my TV isn't widescreen! It's broken! My TV can't show high-def pictures in 1080i, it can only do 720i! It's broken!" Meanwhile, crafters are saying "We'd really like to have a TV that's larger than 12" and gets more than 4 channels and doesn't constantly lose vertical control", and entertainers are saying "Can we get some color instead of this B&W piece of junk?" And smugglers? We're listening to radio programs of "The Shadow" and "The Abbot and Costello Comedy Hour" and hearing FDR's Fireside Chats. We don't even HAVE a damn TV, much less a broken one or a "broken" one by Jedi standards. I'd LOVE to be as "broken" as they are." - The Legendary Solo4114

L-a-O

Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:45 am

#13

Zeon_Zaku wrote:
This sounds more like a skill that would belong to Smugglers...

really QFE its almost like the other devs beat up green marine and stole his smuggler docs for a tree hugger profession SMUGGLER = ROUGE RANGER = HIPPY

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