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Message Edited by yimaz on 03-21-2005 03:18 PM

You do know that to open that second slot you need to complete the trials and be a padawan?

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LaughingWolf wrote:
You do know that to open that second slot you need to complete the trials and be a padawan?

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that's why he has force defence in there

Message Edited by yimaz on 03-21-2005 02:19 PM

Sound interesting, it do depend on the answer to your question but alas I have no clue.

I can try to ask a few Jedis I know. Will be less flame prone than posting on their forum.

being a triple master with a few points in FS ranged accuracy and novice hieghtend sense's i was surpirsed last night when i came damn close to laying a jedi (all tho not a powerful jedi but still a jedi ) on his back. He is a friend of mine and we we're dueling in our guild cantina in lok n load. I had no armour and niether did he. I had my de-10 he his lightsaber. Low blow, last ditch took him down to about 15% health. Soon as he got up tho he owned me pretty much staright away. He said himself he was shocked i hit him that bad and if i had laid health shot on him i wouldnt have been lying on the floor lol.

Been toying with the idea of also taking some fs skills and possibly un locking my 2nd slot although after that fight i just want a saber lol.

:ducks to avoid the flames:

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yimaz wrote:

Interesting.... I knew about the LS grind but Im in no rush to build the temp and would be taking my time with that one anyway. Was thinking the general melee in Defender would cover most bases because I wanna take on and win against most normal players and just give a jedi I come up against a run for his/her money. So with that said 4 0 0 0 would not add much? I think melee defense would be like +150 with this temp. Im lost on jedi stuff so thanks for the insight Joraan.

Message Edited by yimaz on 03-21-2005 04:05 PM

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Ya welcome.

Yeah, the extra Melee Defense you can get elsewhere cheaper (in SP) and easier (in XP) and currently maxes at 125 anyway (post CU, who knows). Also, MD may be made weapon specific in the CU to stop the stacking we have now, which would kill this idea, anyway. The Jedi Toughness is nice, but one line's not enough to make much difference, and is useless against Jedi.

If you did decide to do this and take your time, if you should happen to die along the way and have to clone, you'll be taking your time that much longer. Nope, not worth it.

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DRWolfe wrote:

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yimaz wrote:

Interesting.... I knew about the LS grind but Im in no rush to build the temp and would be taking my time with that one anyway. Was thinking the general melee in Defender would cover most bases because I wanna take on and win against most normal players and just give a jedi I come up against a run for his/her money. So with that said 4 0 0 0 would not add much? I think melee defense would be like +150 with this temp. Im lost on jedi stuff so thanks for the insight Joraan.

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Ya welcome.

Yeah, the extra Melee Defense you can get elsewhere cheaper (in SP) and easier (in XP) and currently maxes at 125 anyway (post CU, who knows). Also, MD may be made weapon specific in the CU to stop the stacking we have now, which would kill this idea, anyway. The Jedi Toughness is nice, but one line's not enough to make much difference, and is useless against Jedi.

If you did decide to do this and take your time, if you should happen to die along the way and have to clone, you'll be taking your time that much longer. Nope, not worth it.

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yimaz wrote:

So with the CU coming and temps being changed I wanted to run this past my smuggler brothers/sisters and see what you all think:

Master Smuggler

Master Teras Kasi

FS Master Combat Prowess

FS Enhanced Reflexes 4 4 0 0 (range and melee defense)

Force Defense 4 0 0 0

So why do I wanna do this? Well I dont want a jedi but I do want the 2nd slot. Moreover when I come up against a jedi I wanna have a really strong chance of putting his face in the dirt and this temp seems like a good way to go since they are a melee profession. Only one question and maybe one of you with a jedi can answer this. Does Force Defense work with out having a saber equiped? I know, I know ask the jedi in their forum but they dont like me so much.

Message Edited by yimaz on 03-21-2005 03:18 PM

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Smuggler/Jedi to the rescue. Here's the skinny on your idea...

First, to answer your question. Right now, the Melee Defense in that branch is Melee Defense like any other, and that and the Jedi Toughness are not dependent on your equipped weapon. (If you really meant Force Defender 0040 for actual Force Defense, same thing. Does not depend on weapon equipped, but this is only defense against Force Powers.) Like I said, that's right now. After the CU, who knows? Also, Jedi Toughness does not work against Lightsabers.

Second, you're going to have to have Lightsaber skills to get Force Defense 4, as it will take forever to get there with Novice Lightsaber, and it would be nigh impossible without Novice Lightsaber. To get there in any reasonable time, I'd say you could do it with LS3 (any LS type). That's still a bit of work. I just hit LS3, if that tells you anything...

Finally, that line of boxes gives you 70 Melee Defense (with 4000, which you can get easier elsewhere) or 75 Force Defense (with 0040, this may help a bit against Powers, but I think that's too specialized a defense that you wouldn't end up using enough to justify it). That, and the fact that Jedi Toughness doesn't help against Lightsabers makes this pretty much a waste of extreme amounts of time and effort.

Message Edited by DRWolfe on 03-21-2005 03:47 PM

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DRWolfe wrote:

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yimaz wrote:

So with the CU coming and temps being changed I wanted to run this past my smuggler brothers/sisters and see what you all think:

Master Smuggler

Master Teras Kasi

FS Master Combat Prowess

FS Enhanced Reflexes 4 4 0 0 (range and melee defense)

Force Defense 4 0 0 0

So why do I wanna do this? Well I dont want a jedi but I do want the 2nd slot. Moreover when I come up against a jedi I wanna have a really strong chance of putting his face in the dirt and this temp seems like a good way to go since they are a melee profession. Only one question and maybe one of you with a jedi can answer this. Does Force Defense work with out having a saber equiped? I know, I know ask the jedi in their forum but they dont like me so much.

Message Edited by yimaz on 03-21-2005 03:18 PM

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Smuggler/Jedi to the rescue. Here's the skinny on your idea...

First, to answer your question. Right now, the Melee Defense in that branch is Melee Defense like any other, and that and the Jedi Toughness are not dependent on your equipped weapon. (If you really meant Force Defender 0040 for actual Force Defense, same thing. Does not depend on weapon equipped, but this is only defense against Force Powers.) Like I said, that's right now. After the CU, who knows? Also, Jedi Toughness does not work against Lightsaber damage.

Second, you're going to have to have Lightsaber skills to get Force Defense 4, as it will take forever to get there with Novice Lightsaber, and it would be nigh impossible without Novice Lightsaber. To get there in any reasonable time, I'd say you could do it with LS3 (any LS type). That's still a bit of work. I just hit LS3, if that tells you anything...

Finally, that line of boxes only gives 20 Defense, either Melee (with 4000, which you can get easier elsewhere) or Force (with 0040, which wouldn't really help all that much with only 20). That, and the fact that Jedi Toughness doesn't help against Lightsabers makes this pretty much a waste of extreme amounts of time and effort.

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Interesting.... I knew about the LS grind but Imin no rush to build the temp and would be taking my time with that one anyway. Was thinking the general melee in Defender would cover most bases because I wanna take on and win against most normal players and just give a jedi I come up against a run for his/her money. So with that said 4 0 0 0 would not add much?I think melee defense would be like +150 with this temp. Im lost on jedi stuff so thanks for the insight Joraan.

Message Edited by yimaz on 03-21-2005 04:05 PM

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yimaz wrote:

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DRWolfe wrote:

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yimaz wrote:

Interesting.... I knew about the LS grind but Im in no rush to build the temp and would be taking my time with that one anyway. Was thinking the general melee in Defender would cover most bases because I wanna take on and win against most normal players and just give a jedi I come up against a run for his/her money. So with that said 4 0 0 0 would not add much? I think melee defense would be like +150 with this temp. Im lost on jedi stuff so thanks for the insight Joraan.

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Ya welcome.

Yeah, the extra Melee Defense you can get elsewhere cheaper (in SP) and easier (in XP) and currently maxes at 125 anyway (post CU, who knows). Also, MD may be made weapon specific in the CU to stop the stacking we have now, which would kill this idea, anyway. The Jedi Toughness is nice, but one line's not enough to make much difference, and is useless against Jedi.

If you did decide to do this and take your time, if you should happen to die along the way and have to clone, you'll be taking your time that much longer. Nope, not worth it.

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Damn...Damn.....Damn.....

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