Smuggler Archive
Thread: The major concern I have noticed
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fishbrains
Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:09 am
#1
The major concern I have noticed among smugglers with the release of all the CU info is our ability to do damage. However, if you look at the how smuggler's 9 'power points' are divided you will see that we have 3 out of a possible 5 in offence. that's hon estly not bad. It's more than some profs got. We don't know if they have given us a new damage special to justify that rating of 3. I think untill it hits TC or they release some sort of profession docs (stop laughting Team Low Blow! 
) then it's pointless to play chicken little. I mean, some of you are starting to sound like jedi in your negitave predictions.
I'll admit I'm excited about this role. This role means that even the person who is master smugger/crafter, ent, non-combat whatever will have a place in high end PvE as well as PvP.
) then it's pointless to play chicken little. I mean, some of you are starting to sound like jedi in your negitave predictions. I'll admit I'm excited about this role. This role means that even the person who is master smugger/crafter, ent, non-combat whatever will have a place in high end PvE as well as PvP.
SmugglinZane
Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:14 am
#2
My concerns do not lie in what damage we do, but what damage dabblers will be able to do with our profession.
I've got another thread going on it, so I'm really not going to get much further into it than that.
fishbrains
Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:18 am
#3
SmugglinZane wrote:My concerns do not lie in what damage we do, but what damage dabblers will be able to do with our profession.I've got another thread going on it, so I'm really not going to get much further into it than that.
all I can tell you is that from the last profession docs Team Low Blow saw the master box was not ignored....
Ipseck
Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:56 am
#4
just going by the numbers the pistoleer/smuggler/bh pistols and tk dabbler templates are going to be extremely well balanced (in terms of the 3 categories) templates, with pistoleer/smuggler/commando dabbler being a little heavier on the offence and crowd control but weaker on the defense. Should be interesting to see.
LaughingWolf
Wed Mar 30, 2005 12:21 pm
#5
fishbrains wrote:
SmugglinZane wrote:
My concerns do not lie in what damage we do, but what damage dabblers will be able to do with our profession.
I've got another thread going on it, so I'm really not going to get much further into it than that.
all I can tell you is that from the last profession docs Team Low Blow saw the master box was not ignored....
Ooh fishbrains, now I am drooling to get in the TC when CU hit it. lol I am very very intrigued.
SpinningCloud
Wed Mar 30, 2005 12:27 pm
#6
Fish, I understand that we can 'mez' and have decent defense BUT...
When a BH is after us for our smuggling escapades exactly WHAT will get the BH off our ass?
We're not likely going to be able to SOLO them and win.
Dying will end the bounty.
Mezzing and running though? Indefinitely mez and run? Or will the bounty end if they don't catch and kill us after a time limit?
How exactly do we win against a BH...NPC or player?
Nicolas_Frost
Wed Mar 30, 2005 12:38 pm
#7
SpinningCloud wrote:Fish, I understand that we can 'mez' and have decent defense BUT...When a BH is after us for our smuggling escapades exactly WHAT will get the BH off our ass?We're not likely going to be able to SOLO them and win.Dying will end the bounty.Mezzing and running though? Indefinitely mez and run? Or will the bounty end if they don't catch and kill us after a time limit?How exactly do we win against a BH...NPC or player?
These are good points, and things I've noticed as well, as seen in the document, we are made for crowd control, so in a scenario Pure Smuggler versus a Pure Bounty Hunter, both players of equal skill and preperation, it appears that the Hunter would win, due to the emphasis of the Hunter being a one-on-one fighter while the Smuggler geared towards controlling a crowd's aggro. However, that's the problem that most people make when comparing professions, they compare Pure X from Pure Y, temporarily forgetting the fact we can be X & Y simultaniously, or X & Q, or Y & D.
Anywat, my point is the best Smugglers aren't/won't be pure Smugglers, but the Masters who've added onto Smuggler to do one of two things. Make thier character well-rounded, or make thier character primarily Offence(sometimes, the best way to avoid a fight, is to end it abruptly ala Han versus Greedo).
SpinningCloud
Wed Mar 30, 2005 12:44 pm
#8
Again though Nicholas,
How does the bounty end? With either the Smuggler or BH dead only? If so a Smuggler/Pistoleer combo would be a failure at actually smuggling since there is no way to end the bounty with the Smuggler alive.
To successfully smuggle...in a world were death only ended the bounty...there would only be on reasonable combination; Smuggler with a damage profession like rifle.
This I think is utterly rediculous.
Either a Smuggler will need an alternate way of ending a bounty or the whole thing is broken IMO.
Vrond
Wed Mar 30, 2005 4:14 pm
#9
I dunno mezzers are notoriously hard to kill in other game systems. You need real skill to take them down as a player and its a very frustrating fight its long and drawn out and for the most part if they want to they just leave and your lefted stunned and bleeding and hoping something nasty does not come along while you recover. Heck you might even blunder into a sarlac pit in such condition. 
Nicolas_Frost
Wed Mar 30, 2005 6:26 pm
#10
Vrond wrote:I dunno mezzers are notoriously hard to kill in other game systems. You need real skill to take them down as a player and its a very frustrating fight its long and drawn out and for the most part if they want to they just leave and your lefted stunned and bleeding and hoping something nasty does not come along while you recover. Heck you might even blunder into a sarlac pit in such condition.
Just gave me a funny thought, what if one of our skills was to temporarily replace our opponent's waypoints with some of our own. So an Imperial Smuggler might replace a Rebel Bounty Hunter's "Home" waypoint with one that leads him directly to an Imperial base?
Just kidding, of course.
VegitoX
Wed Mar 30, 2005 7:19 pm
#11
but a comical thought none the less
Nicolas_Frost wrote:
Vrond wrote:
I dunno mezzers are notoriously hard to kill in other game systems. You need real skill to take them down as a player and its a very frustrating fight its long and drawn out and for the most part if they want to they just leave and your lefted stunned and bleeding and hoping something nasty does not come along while you recover. Heck you might even blunder into a sarlac pit in such condition.
Just gave me a funny thought, what if one of our skills was to temporarily replace our opponent's waypoints with some of our own. So an Imperial Smuggler might replace a Rebel Bounty Hunter's "Home" waypoint with one that leads him directly to an Imperial base?
Just kidding, of course.
Ternque01
Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:54 pm
#12
I gotta tell you fish, I am pumped that we are getting a damage output rating of 3. It is a helluva lot better than the rating of ONE that we currently have.
Mentski
Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:08 pm
#13
Ternque01 wrote:
I gotta tell you fish, I am pumped that we are getting a damage output rating of 3. It is a helluva lot better than the rating of ONE that we currently have.
What makes you think our Damage output at the moment is 1? Remember, we have the most powerful pistol special there is damage speaking...
Sure, It feels like 1... but my evil Cynic side is telling me the Devs won't see it like that :/
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