Smuggler Archive

Thread: I don't think we should settle.

maxtheusher
Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:12 am
#1

We have not gotten what we've been promised. An innovative new system.

I'm seeing a lot of "I'm dissapointed but I'll live with it if it's a little better than the last system" posts. SCREW THAT. What is this place, a slave camp? "Well, I was going to escape, but the new whip doesn't hurt as bad as the old whip"

What I think slicing should be:

An ongoing thing. You're resting between hunts, your sitting in a cantina, you're relaxing in your YT's lounge... you break out your gun and your tools and start fiddling. you tweak this, add some insulation to your power handler, replace the cheap copper wires with some superconducting silicon wires, adjust the damage range up a bit...

basically something a smuggler type would be doing in his spare time. Making the tools he uses work better, in whatever way he can at the moment. Like souping up a car, or Overclocking and modding a computer.

We should have a a graphical interface, like ID's, we should have a variety of parts craftable by Smugglers, Artisans, Weaponsmiths, Armorsmiths, hell, even DE's and Architects. And some lootable and Smuggling quest reward parts.

And the mods should show up on the guns when/if they fix weapon appearances. (I'm picturing a goldplated, pearl-handled FWG5 with a ported marksman barrel, silencer, and some doodads to make it look beefier.)

Long story short, the Devs haven't given us anything. They've made us MORE appealing as sliceWHORES. We shouldn't settle for dog meat when we were promised Angus Beef.



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SmugglinZane
Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:21 am
#2

OK, I'll play along...


What about slicing being something similar to how Docs/CMs work these days.


I may be able to slice bare handed, but I can do better when I use better tools.



In other words, as something that could be added instead of trashing the system, make tools enhance points. Instead of capping at 100 for MS, cap at 80. You get 0-20 points from using tools. The better the tools, the more points. This would bring in a sort of 10 point MS similar to the 12 point crafter, but it would not be from loot. It would be from a MS taking the time to do a better job.



I agree with you that the system is in a way too simplistic. It makes one MS just like any other. In my other in game ventures I strive to provide the highest quality of product. Why wouldn't I want my slicing to be the same.





"Jedi claims of being "broken" are like saying "But my TV isn't widescreen! It's broken! My TV can't show high-def pictures in 1080i, it can only do 720i! It's broken!" Meanwhile, crafters are saying "We'd really like to have a TV that's larger than 12" and gets more than 4 channels and doesn't constantly lose vertical control", and entertainers are saying "Can we get some color instead of this B&W piece of junk?" And smugglers? We're listening to radio programs of "The Shadow" and "The Abbot and Costello Comedy Hour" and hearing FDR's Fireside Chats. We don't even HAVE a damn TV, much less a broken one or a "broken" one by Jedi standards. I'd LOVE to be as "broken" as they are." - The Legendary Solo4114
Shrendyc
Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:23 am
#3






maxtheusher wrote:
We have not gotten what we've been promised. An innovative new system.

I'm seeing a lot of "I'm dissapointed but I'll live with it if it's a little better than the last system" posts. SCREW THAT. What is this place, a slave camp? "Well, I was going to escape, but the new whip doesn't hurt as bad as the old whip"

What I think slicing should be:

An ongoing thing. You're resting between hunts, your sitting in a cantina, you're relaxing in your YT's lounge... you break out your gun and your tools and start fiddling. you tweak this, add some insulation to your power handler, replace the cheap copper wires with some superconducting silicon wires, adjust the damage range up a bit...

basically something a smuggler type would be doing in his spare time. Making the tools he uses work better, in whatever way he can at the moment. Like souping up a car, or Overclocking and modding a computer.

We should have a a graphical interface, like ID's, we should have a variety of parts craftable by Smugglers, Artisans, Weaponsmiths, Armorsmiths, hell, even DE's and Architects. And some lootable and Smuggling quest reward parts.

And the mods should show up on the guns when/if they fix weapon appearances. (I'm picturing a goldplated, pearl-handled FWG5 with a ported marksman barrel, silencer, and some doodads to make it look beefier.)

Long story short, the Devs haven't given us anything. They've made us MORE appealing as sliceWHORES. We shouldn't settle for dog meat when we were promised Angus Beef.





Very good post. I heartily agree - the current model on TC looks nothing like what was proposed. What a bait and switch. I'm getting a little tired of looking over documents that get me all excited to be a smuggler, then get a watered down version dumped on me that is nothing like the proposal docs.


We just keep getting worse with no light at the end of the tunnel.





"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius --- and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction. "
TimSpork
Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:25 am
#4






maxtheusher wrote:
We have not gotten what we've been promised. An innovative new system.

I'm seeing a lot of "I'm dissapointed but I'll live with it if it's a little better than the last system" posts. SCREW THAT. What is this place, a slave camp? "Well, I was going to escape, but the new whip doesn't hurt as bad as the old whip"

What I think slicing should be:

An ongoing thing. You're resting between hunts, your sitting in a cantina, you're relaxing in your YT's lounge... you break out your gun and your tools and start fiddling. you tweak this, add some insulation to your power handler, replace the cheap copper wires with some superconducting silicon wires, adjust the damage range up a bit...

basically something a smuggler type would be doing in his spare time. Making the tools he uses work better, in whatever way he can at the moment. Like souping up a car, or Overclocking and modding a computer.

We should have a a graphical interface, like ID's, we should have a variety of parts craftable by Smugglers, Artisans, Weaponsmiths, Armorsmiths, hell, even DE's and Architects. And some lootable and Smuggling quest reward parts.

And the mods should show up on the guns when/if they fix weapon appearances. (I'm picturing a goldplated, pearl-handled FWG5 with a ported marksman barrel, silencer, and some doodads to make it look beefier.)

Long story short, the Devs haven't given us anything. They've made us MORE appealing as sliceWHORES. We shouldn't settle for dog meat when we were promised Angus Beef.





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JasMoStryder
Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:26 am
#5



maxtheusher wrote:
(I'm picturing a goldplated, pearl-handled FWG5 with a ported marksman barrel, silencer, and some doodads to make it look beefier.)




Pimped out blasters would rule. But they probably don't want to be troubled with the extra art they'd have to put in game. I like your idea though, and agree with you



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AngusMacGregor
Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:27 am
#6

Yeah, now that the honeymoon is over... I'm gonna have to /sign this one.


We got ripped. What's on TC is a very, very pale shadow of what they've been leading us to believe would be something wonderful.






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Sparkalot
Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:27 am
#7

I agree whole heartedly. I will accpet this....for now....as passing to get us through a bad time. However, this is exactly 100% not what we were told we were getting with the slicing revamp. I think the devs still need to give us what they told us we were getting. I want my graphical interface, I want to use tools to make things better(i don't know how many of you have done any suping of of vehicles IRL, but try doing it without tools) and by god, I really don't want to have to repair my sliced weapons every 10-20 shots.



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riotcontrol
Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:37 am
#8

All I'm going to say about this issue is: If this, much more simple part of the "Revamp" was so different from what was seen in the In Concept forums, I'm really, really afraid of what will happen to the Smuggling missions, especially considering that most people are hoping for more than the In Concept document said, not less.



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Zeon_Zaku
Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:38 am
#9

It would be neat of Smugglers could fiddle around with their weapons, but only the weapons they own. Make a completely customized pistol for themselves...
I've always wanted this. A Smuggler buys a pistol, takes it and customizes it in power, damage, ect. and can also customize the bolt color, hilt, barrol, ect. and make a completely customized pistol (though it would still retain the shape and look of the original pistol, just with different parts on it and a different color).
The pistol wouldn't be able to be traded, though, so it would belong only to the Smuggler... and be a one-of-a-kind pistol.

Message Edited by Zeon_Zaku on 06-22-2005 09:40 AM



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SmugglinZane
Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:39 am
#10

Another thing I'd rather have is different upgrades from WSs. Removable upgrades actually.



In other words, take Keck's ported barrel. A WS doesn't make an upgrade kit, he makes a ported barrel, and a Smuggler makes the upgrade since it's illegal. Or a nickel plating kit. Or anything along those lines.This would kind of fold in with what I was talking about where one of two things could happen.


The higher quality the part, the less expensive the modification points would be. or Something more along the lines of what I said before where the weapon/Smuggler gets more points so more modifications could be done.


Allow some, not all, modifications to be replaced. Have the modification actually break, not the weapon, so that the Smuggler has to replace the ported barrel or something along those lines.



Simply put, this is nowhere near the system that was proposed, and they SHOULD be taking input like this for improving the much less desirable one they now have.




"Jedi claims of being "broken" are like saying "But my TV isn't widescreen! It's broken! My TV can't show high-def pictures in 1080i, it can only do 720i! It's broken!" Meanwhile, crafters are saying "We'd really like to have a TV that's larger than 12" and gets more than 4 channels and doesn't constantly lose vertical control", and entertainers are saying "Can we get some color instead of this B&W piece of junk?" And smugglers? We're listening to radio programs of "The Shadow" and "The Abbot and Costello Comedy Hour" and hearing FDR's Fireside Chats. We don't even HAVE a damn TV, much less a broken one or a "broken" one by Jedi standards. I'd LOVE to be as "broken" as they are." - The Legendary Solo4114
uselessn00b
Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:41 am
#11






AngusMacGregor wrote:

We got ripped. What's on TC is a very, very pale shadow of what they've been leading us to believe would be something wonderful.








There's a lot ofsmuggler commandos out there... promised the profession we "should" be with commando... now broken worse than ever. Promised great smuggler content... don't look like it's gonna happen.


Maybe we should all become jedi so the devs only have to work on one profession..... oh wait, isn't that what they're doing already???





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Saarek
Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:42 am
#12

I dont think I agree.


I usually do 100% stand behind the voice of the community, however I think that what you ask for is way too much.


I'm not looking at it from a stance of "do we deserve it" or "they owe us because.." but rather a logistical standpoint.


SWG is a dying game. With newer, and more updated games on the market, SWG is considerably sub-par - and if I was SOE, I'd probably be putting my credits down on a new horse - not trying to revive an old one.


Although I would LOVE to see those changes, it would be so damn cool, maybe I have become so much of a cynic that I just do not expect anything close to what we are looking for.


I think that slicing can stay the way it is - of course fixing that crap what dont work - maybe making the % increases a bit higher (like 2-3 times) - but all in all - before this game dies, I wanna see some smuggler content.




Ok. Flame away.





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dlc3007
Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:50 am
#13


umm.... what, exactly, is the alternative you're proposing? That they shouldn't release the slicing system? They should pull it out of this release and take it back to development for another 3-6 months?


Sure, I'm a little disappointed as well. I do think that slicing at least needs a new interface if not the mini-game that was in the concept forum. I also think that the whole slave-whip-wh0re thing is a little over the top. Have a beer and relax a bit.


Just like the pre-CU system... if you don't want to slice, then don't.




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