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Thread: New Slicing Crunching the Numbers

Kav
Wed Jul 20, 2005 1:54 pm
#1



Sample Weapons

DL44 XTKits
Base Speed1.95 A=Simple Tool Kit
Avg Dmg570 B=Fine Tool Kit
Base DPS292.31 C=Delicate Tool Kit OR CoreBooster

Elite Carbine
Base Speed2.46
Avg Dmg549
Base DPS223.17


Pure Elite Kits
Speed DL44 XT %DPS+ Carbine %DPS+ ABC
2% 298.27 1.0% 227.73 1.0% 000
4% 304.49 2.1% 232.47 2.1% 100
7% 314.31 3.8% 239.97 3.8% 110
12% 332.17 6.8% 253.60 6.8% 111

Dmg
2% 298.15 1.0% 227.63 1.0% 0-0
4% 304.00 2.0% 232.10 2.0% 1-0
8% 315.69 4.0% 241.02 4.0% 1-1

4%SPD&

4%DMG 316.67 4.2% 241.77 4.2% 200


7%SPD&

2%DMG 320.604.8% 244.774.8%110


2%SPD&

8%DMG 322.14 5.1%245.94 5.1% 1 1 1


God I hope that stays aligned...anyway

I imagine most of use have decided the speed slice is the "uber" now, but I thought i'd crunch up some numbers and see about a couple combos.

This was done in a spreadsheet program, haven't verified it with slices in game yet but plan on it soonish.


Analysis:

Tier 4 Speed = best

Tier 1SPD + 3DMG = close 2nd

Bang for Buck: 3SPD & 1 DMG


You get the same Bang as a Full Dmg with less kit investment if ya do 4% each.


Whew..hope i got it all correct, i am sure someone will point out any mistakes.

Message Edited by Kav on 07-20-2005 05:04 PM



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Kav
Wed Jul 20, 2005 1:55 pm
#2


Message Edited by Kav on 07-20-2005 05:05 PM



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Nicolas_Frost
Wed Jul 20, 2005 2:00 pm
#3

I just test things out using this.



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Kav
Wed Jul 20, 2005 2:10 pm
#4


nice widget, still had to do this to make myself comfy though. Now I'll use the widget.


My numbers have no elemental dmg in em, anyway..if it helps anyone so be it..otherwise it will ooze down the board




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Nicolas_Frost
Wed Jul 20, 2005 2:35 pm
#5

Maybe you can help its creator out(I forget who it was ). If you're good enough at math, you can probably figure out how the player's speed mod alters the weapon speed and give the guy the info to feed into the calculator.



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Puttley
Thu Jul 21, 2005 4:06 am
#6


Health Warning: Sorry calculations coming - caution if its early!!



one thing to remember is that the modified speed is not directly related to your real shot speed you see on screen. a 12% slice might increase your dps by 6.8% but your 2.45 speed riflewitha mod speed of1.36 perhaps would slice to a 2.19 speed rifle with perhaps 1.22 mod speed. but before a slice i'd fire at 1.7 sec per shot, after a 12% speed slice fire at only 1.65 sec per shot.



i tested speed on ranged/placed shot while attacking for about 60 sec ata time (mostly so the kimo would regen). i alternated from ranged to placed as soon as the last had finished and queued the next attack. then logged all the time stamps of my shots (i ran so there was no healing, need for other shots etc for a clean log).

i had 3 speeds from different powerups:
1) 0.93 modified weapon speed
hit 38 times in 61 sec
= 1.61 seconds/shot

2) 1.37 modified weapon speed
hit 35 times in 61 sec
= 1.74 seconds/shot

3) 1.52 modified weapon speed
hit 32 times iun 62 sec
= 1.94 seconds/shot


these figures are an avarage of several runs for each different speed. the only difference beween each different speed was the powerup used (or lack of).

note also that there was a noticable difference between cooldown timers with test 1) compaired to test 3) in ALL attacks. the higher damage attacks seem to slow your real firing speed by the same ammount as their relevent damage mulitplier.



this data is not quite linear - more testing needs to be done to check it, but roughly at a higher mod speed a guide can be used:


Real firing speed = 0.54 x mod speed + 1


so in reality a 12% speed slice gives 3% more damage over time, where a 8% damage slice (from kavs data) would increase damage over time by 4%.



summary:


1/4 the displayed speed slice is the actual "effect"


1/2 the displayed damage slice is the actual "effect"


Message Edited by Puttley on 07-21-2005 12:29 PM

AngusMacGregor
Thu Jul 21, 2005 4:07 am
#7

Owww... my head!


Isn't it kinda early in the morning to be doing math?




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Puttley
Thu Jul 21, 2005 4:10 am
#8

lol, had it worked out a while ago, jsut needed a place to put it usefully. hey and its lunchtime here...

Message Edited by Puttley on 07-21-2005 12:11 PM

AngusMacGregor
Thu Jul 21, 2005 4:15 am
#9

I don't care what time it is there. It's damn early here.


Have some courtesy for your Time Zonally challenged Smuggler buds!!






I need coffee.




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Puttley
Thu Jul 21, 2005 4:30 am
#10

thats better, now everyone knows what not to read if they'reTime Zonally challenged.
AngusMacGregor
Thu Jul 21, 2005 4:31 am
#11

LOL, Thanks.


And now back to my regularly scheduled coffee.




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Kav
Thu Jul 21, 2005 6:47 am
#12

whew, thanks Fihe, I think /DrinksMoreCoffee


I was only looking at base DPS not knowing the effect on the modded, If i am thinking straight enough your saying that all slices are on base DPS and all Char Mods only take a fraction of that into the modded DPS.


I'll try again aftermy 2nd cup.





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Darkvicious
Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:20 am
#13



Its a great post to base yourself. But you have to be carefull about people's template. I sliced a gun for someone , the modified speed for him was 1.01 after 3 speed slice. The game still caps the fastest shot at 1per second. So for him 3 speed 1 damage was best. But take someone like me with just smuggler, I slice all my guns with 4 speed slice because of my lack of speed.



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