Smuggler Archive
Thread: Jedi did not do this!
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DRWolfe
Sat Feb 19, 2005 8:29 am
#1
I'm sorry, but I cannot blame Jedi for this FD thing. Or Bounty Hunters, who also used it (huge DOT then FD, anyone?)
There was a skill in the game, they used it. End of Story.
If you took XP loss from dying, would you not also take a skill that let you avoid dying, especially when you pretty much had no chance of surviving an encounter with a BH? I think you would.
If FD was not how they wanted it, they shoudl have said so sometime in the past YEAR instead of just dumping it on us, and no I don't accept the "had to be changed because of changes in the GCW" crap either.
And another thing...
Is it my imagination or did we get exactly 2 posts from the Devs about this change and absolutely nothing more? I notice the Scouts and Rangers got a nice perk and tons of posts explaining all about it, how it works, etc.
We get 2 freakin' posts?
Nice one Devs. How about a little equality for one of the MOST ICONIC PROFESSIONS IN THE GAME!
gpthree
Sat Feb 19, 2005 8:49 am
#2
I agree, all people had access to it and alot of people had it.
Message Edited by gpthree on 02-19-2005 10:55 AM
SmugglinZane
Sat Feb 19, 2005 9:11 am
#4
I can accept that if you can go to the Jedi boards and read the way our skill was regarded. They were the ones who created the bad attitude about it and they were the one's who used it to avoid the only system there is that is supposed to put them at a disadvantage.
It was poor design that did this. It was the Jedi abuse of it, and their open abuse at that, that made it more prevalent.
SmugglinZane
Sat Feb 19, 2005 9:19 am
#5
I'd like to make another point about Jedi and how they're not responsible for our profession woes.
Once upon a time there was a Smuggler revamp scheduled. That revamp got pushed because "fixing" Jedi was more important. Once upon a time Smugglers had a skill useful to them since they had no combat modifiers or any other useful combat skill at low level. The skill got "fixed" because of Jedi abuse of the skill even though they had more than enough skills that were many times more powerful than anything the Smuggler's got.
Do I blame Jedi? Not really. Piss poor design is what led to everything. I blame the dev team. I don't buy their lame attempts at excuses and reasoning. They need some better acting coaches or a better promotional department because they're failing in their attempt to sell the BS they keep spouting.
If Jedi existed in the game, would we have half of our problems. Maybe, maybe not. We'd either have another profession to be angry with, or we'd have been given our due by now.
Farenheit
Sat Feb 19, 2005 9:21 am
#6
SmugglinZane wrote:
I can accept that if you can go to the Jedi boards and read the way our skill was regarded. They were the ones who created the bad attitude about it and they were the one's who used it to avoid the only system there is that is supposed to put them at a disadvantage.
It was poor design that did this. It was the Jedi abuse of it, and their open abuse at that, that made it more prevalent.
you could not be more wrong on this... This started way back when they lowered the pre-req's for bh's... The result is a bunch of people that are not really bh's but have easy access to the ability to take out missions on jedi. Stackers if you will, tkm, fencer ect ect that only get the ability in bh that allows them to take out missions.
This lead to an imbalance of stacker bh's killing off new jedi's easily, forceing new jedi to come up with something to prevent insane and rampant xp loss.
Me, I blame the dev's. The ability to take out jedi missions should be master bh only, or they should have left the pre req's alone.
dlc3007
Sat Feb 19, 2005 9:37 am
#7
I will blame Jedi and BH for Feign Death being nerfed to the point of uselessness. Both of these professions are, to me, equal in their abuse of and complaints about our skill. BH and Jedi have shown themselves, as a group, to have total disregard for any other profession or players in the game. Why do I say this? Two words:
Fight Club.
Not only are they willing to exploit and abuse other profession’s skills, but they are willing to pervert one of the central themes of the game: BH v. Jedi. They have shown themselves perfectly willing to work with their sworn enemies when it suits them, but still whine and moan when one of our skills can be misused by/against them.
Until these 133t little babies grow up and start playing the game rather than as a means to wave their ____s around, I’ll have no respect for either profession. If you belong to one of these professions and don’t like what I have to say, then so something about it: ban the fight clubs and start RPing – and do something about the others in your profession.
DRWolfe
Sun Feb 20, 2005 7:28 am
#8
dlc3007 wrote:
I will blame Jedi and BH for Feign Death being nerfed to the point of uselessness. Both of these professions are, to me, equal in their abuse of and complaints about our skill. BH and Jedi have shown themselves, as a group, to have total disregard for any other profession or players in the game. Why do I say this? Two words:
Fight Club.
Not only are they willing to exploit and abuse other profession’s skills, but they are willing to pervert one of the central themes of the game: BH v. Jedi. They have shown themselves perfectly willing to work with their sworn enemies when it suits them, but still whine and moan when one of our skills can be misused by/against them.
Until these 133t little babies grow up and start playing the game rather than as a means to wave their ____s around, I’ll have no respect for either profession. If you belong to one of these professions and don’t like what I have to say, then so something about it: ban the fight clubs and start RPing – and do something about the others in your profession.
But you cannot blame all Jedi or BH, as all Jedi and BH did not do Fight Clubs, or use FD.
This is the Devs fault for taking the easy nerf and saying "it was a bug all along" when they'd never mentioned it was a bug, instead of working with us to come up with a solution everyone could agree on.
It's just the half-assed way Smugglers have ever been dealt with by the Devs.
Nicolas_Frost
Sun Feb 20, 2005 7:38 am
#9
Farenheit wrote:
SmugglinZane wrote:
I can accept that if you can go to the Jedi boards and read the way our skill was regarded. They were the ones who created the bad attitude about it and they were the one's who used it to avoid the only system there is that is supposed to put them at a disadvantage.
It was poor design that did this. It was the Jedi abuse of it, and their open abuse at that, that made it more prevalent.
you could not be more wrong on this... This started way back when they lowered the pre-req's for bh's... The result is a bunch of people that are not really bh's but have easy access to the ability to take out missions on jedi. Stackers if you will, tkm, fencer ect ect that only get the ability in bh that allows them to take out missions.
This lead to an imbalance of stacker bh's killing off new jedi's easily, forceing new jedi to come up with something to prevent insane and rampant xp loss.
Me, I blame the dev's. The ability to take out jedi missions should be master bh only, or they should have left the pre req's alone.
Yes, but these stackers would have had no-one to hunt had the Jedi not run about waving thier saber, wearing thier robes, using the Force, or tuning Crystals in public.
Viskyn
Sun Feb 20, 2005 11:28 am
#10
Where are the Links form the Devs?
I cant find anything I just want to see what they have to say I need a good laugh atm.
nerfherder321
Sun Feb 20, 2005 11:33 am
#11
jedi Are RESOPONSIBLE...on the day it was revolked like a ten page post was made by the people complaining thye lost their defence... non jedi huh? right
BH are responsible, but they didnt complain much, im sorry to burst your bubble, but even though all people had access to it, they did not A BUSE it like the Jedi and BH and complain about it
Rajtinka
Sun Feb 20, 2005 11:33 am
#12
oops double post
Message Edited by Rajtinka on 02-21-2005 08:45 AM
Rajtinka
Sun Feb 20, 2005 11:37 am
#13
Yes they are responsible in LARGE part. Why try and Debate it. Yes i have a Jedi .. Yes i die sometimes. Either my Doc rezzes her or i clone. I dont even have the Hero ring bc im pre pub9 and dont wanna waste time getting it. I have Never FD with my Jedi... she is a Jedi.. not a smuggler. 200k xp takes me about 1.5 hours to make back. It sucks, but oh well. THATS A CHOICE I MADE WHEN PLAYING MY JEDI. I grind in solitude and i stay off the terms. All my deaths since patch 9 have been PvE. Thats right... i have NEVER been on the terms since patch 9. And i didnt have to abuse another profession to do it.
Jedi... face it... your cheap tactics and unwillingness to play your character the way it was intended has again nerfed a totally unrelated profession.
At this point... just change it back to so Jedi can use Jedi only skills... leave them out of our game .. ruining our classes that DONT need help being ruined. SOE will trash Smuggler on their own. We dont need Jedi abusing a skill they should have never been able to have in the first place.
Jedi... face it... your cheap tactics and unwillingness to play your character the way it was intended has again nerfed a totally unrelated profession.
At this point... just change it back to so Jedi can use Jedi only skills... leave them out of our game .. ruining our classes that DONT need help being ruined. SOE will trash Smuggler on their own. We dont need Jedi abusing a skill they should have never been able to have in the first place.
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