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Thread: Petition: No Additional Factory Support!!! ...
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Little-Green-Guy
Thu Jan 06, 2005 3:01 pm
#1
O.K. all....I'm here to be the voice of reason...for all you STILL whining about needing'additional factory' support.
Let's draw a scenario......
Lets /assume:
Player X has the following....
title: Master Shipwright
Access to: 30 Factories
Credits in the Bank: 850+ million
Resources stored: 140+ million units
/end assumption.
You know what that player is going to do the second full factory support is added?
Let me tell you...he or she is going to make so many components and price those components so far under market value...his competitors nose's are going to bleed.
thus...forcing so many ofus (without the means to compete) to quit.
Believe me..there is 1 or 5 of these people on each server capable of doing this...we see it all the time w/the other proffesions..
So, I urge you guys...be content with this fact - The barrier to entry in SW is not really that difficult (in comparision w/other proffessions).....keep things as they are ....our you will wish you had...
thank you kindly!
Jagged-F3l
Thu Jan 06, 2005 3:09 pm
#2
/disagree
At the very least I wanted limited factory support for the purpose of producing more than one component that turns out absolutely amazing. I don't want to make 1000 of these (who has those kinds of resources?), more like between 10 and 25 (leaning more toward the 10).
TrueBoom
Thu Jan 06, 2005 3:12 pm
#3
God these endless arguements grow old. If you don't want to be a slobbering hypocrite, then take awat factory support FROM ALL CRAFTING PROFS. Otherwise GIVE US FACTORY SUPPORT. Pretty simple to me.
EdOWar
Thu Jan 06, 2005 3:14 pm
#4
/sign
Full factory support will kill this profession with it's current level of crafting complexity. It's easier to make a fusion generator than it is to make a C-12 fragmentation grenade or a laser rifle.
Slim Vargo, Corbantis
EdOWar
Thu Jan 06, 2005 3:18 pm
#5
TrueBoom wrote:
God these endless arguements grow old. If you don't want to be a slobbering hypocrite, then take awat factory support FROM ALL CRAFTING PROFS. Otherwise GIVE US FACTORY SUPPORT. Pretty simple to me.
It has nothing to do with being a 'hypocrite'. Other crafting professions need factory support because they all require sub-components...in many cases multiple sub-components. Shipwright has no required sub-components (only optional ones...and then only one optional sub-component). Factory support would lead to drastic over-production. You remember the laws of supply and demand, don't you? Too much supply...not enough demand...does what to prices?
If you want to kill Shipwright, then by all means give us full factory support. If you want to keep this profession viable, keep it as it is.
Slim Vargo, Corbantis
TomoRainer
Thu Jan 06, 2005 3:19 pm
#6
/sign so hard you'll need a new piece of paper
Reasons why it's good for shipwrights, pilots, the economy, and is in no way hypocrisy to follow when I have the time for a new manifesto.
Reasons why it's good for shipwrights, pilots, the economy, and is in no way hypocrisy to follow when I have the time for a new manifesto.
Rhysen
Thu Jan 06, 2005 3:21 pm
#7
TrueBoom wrote:
God these endless arguements grow old. If you don't want to be a slobbering hypocrite, then take awat factory support FROM ALL CRAFTING PROFS. Otherwise GIVE US FACTORY SUPPORT. Pretty simple to me.
If that were the petition, remove factory support from all professions and only allowing subcomponent creation in factories... Where would I sign?
I think it's completely wrong that aweaponsmith can spend 5 minutes of their time loading schematics/resources into a factory and 55 minutes shooting stuff as a Rifleman and turn out as much/more weapons than a Weaponsmith that spends 55 minutes crafting weapons and 5 minutes shooting stuff as a Rifleman.
The time the 2nd person doesn't invest in Rifleman will be directly reflected in his progression up the Rifleman tree, directly reflected in the amount of rewards he receives using his rifle (loot/mission payouts). Why shouldn't the reverse be true, that the time not invested in crafting shipwright (or weaponsmith/armorsmith/chef/ect) products be reflected in the amount of productsa personcan offer the market?
Little-Green-Guy
Thu Jan 06, 2005 3:24 pm
#8
Rhysen wrote:
TrueBoom wrote:
God these endless arguements grow old. If you don't want to be a slobbering hypocrite, then take awat factory support FROM ALL CRAFTING PROFS. Otherwise GIVE US FACTORY SUPPORT. Pretty simple to me.
If that were the petition, remove factory support from all professions and only allowing subcomponent creation in factories... Where would I sign?
I think it's completely wrong that aweaponsmith can spend 5 minutes of their time loading schematics/resources into a factory and 55 minutes shooting stuff as a Rifleman and turn out as much/more weapons than a Weaponsmith that spends 55 minutes crafting weapons and 5 minutes shooting stuff as a Rifleman.
The time the 2nd person doesn't invest in Rifleman will be directly reflected in his progression up the Rifleman tree, directly reflected in the amount of rewards he receives using his rifle (loot/mission payouts). Why shouldn't the reverse be true, that the time not invested in crafting shipwright (or weaponsmith/armorsmith/chef/ect) products be reflected in the amount of productsa personcan offer the market?
difference being:
a rifleman...only needto purchase: a singleT721 rifle
a pilot: needs a unique component for each and ever level. (i.e. reactor @ mark I, mark II, mark III, mark IV)
...big difference
Scythykins
Thu Jan 06, 2005 3:34 pm
#9
/sign
My opinion is so openly voiced on these forums...if you don't know it...just click my name and read all posts by...
Strudle
Fri Jan 07, 2005 5:37 am
#10
TrueBoom wrote:
God these endless arguements grow old. If you don't want to be a slobbering hypocrite, then take awat factory support FROM ALL CRAFTING PROFS. Otherwise GIVE US FACTORY SUPPORT. Pretty simple to me.
agreed. Give us the option to do it. I doubt anyone could do a 1000 run on YT's
TomoRainer
Fri Jan 07, 2005 7:21 am
#11
Hypothesis: shipwright is identical to all other crafting professions, therefore to be in favor of limited factory support for SWs is to be in favor of limited factory support for all crafting professions.
Factual basis: ...
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Oh wait, the only way they're alike is we all make things. Back to the drawing board.
Factual basis: ...
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Oh wait, the only way they're alike is we all make things. Back to the drawing board.
ExcaliburCH
Fri Jan 07, 2005 9:21 am
#12
/sign .. no enhanced factory support for SW. Leave it as it is.. a very special crafting profession. Don't destroy it with additional factory support!!
cheers
Exi
cheers
Exi
Scythykins
Fri Jan 07, 2005 12:10 pm
#13
Sigh, I said I already posted my opinions on this, but lets review, shall we? Shipwright istotally unique in that there isn't a single class of items we can make, sans paint and custom kits, that requires less than a god-awful amount of resources. We're above and beyond architect even, since they have furniture to turn out. What made SW truly unique is that things DO have to be hand-crafted beyond the sub-component level. This is a new way that SOE used to make the profession truly unique from others. Now that having been said, SW is NOT a profession that one can go into lightly. It requires a lot of time and resources to turn out a good product. Some people do not have the time, or do not wish to use the time to do so. That means NOT that Shipwright should change to suit your needs, it means that YOU should have done more research on the profession, and chosen your profession more wisely to suit your individual needs. If you want more factory support, almost every server is screaming for more Armorsmiths and Chefs.
I like that SW does not have factory support. It tends to weed out the people who only want to do it half-assed and make a quick buck. They'll go in and make a few chassis, realize the resource drain and cost, and give it up. Lets face it here folks, crafting professions require a serious devotion of time and resources, and this one seems to be the cream of the crop at the moment as far as time/resource investment. As I said before, if you didn't want the investment of time and resource, you had 32 other professions to choose from.
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