Shipwright Archive
Thread: An open letter to those who call me greedy...
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GraySeven
Mon Nov 22, 2004 7:57 am
#1
I got a tell from a customer that said, basically, that I was being greedy for selling T4 chassis at 480k cr. This is an open respose to everyone who feels the need to tell me I'm being greedy:
"At 8am on Sunday the 21st I had 7.2 million credits in the bank. That evening, I had 200k credits. I travelled to every inhabited planet during a 12 hour span purchasing resources at an average price of 5cpu. My 10 lots are harvesting high-quality resources which I can not afford to buy in bulk lots due to the outrageous prices people seem to want for them, so for the bulk resources involved in chassis construction I rely on others. Since the end of the holo-grind and the huge resource farms from cross-server lot trades, resource prices have gone up even for these low quality resoruces.
You will never again buy another chassis of that particular type, from me or anyone else. Loot components re-engineered are, for the most part, better than I can make. My T4 chassis cost 480k credits, which is 6cpu, leaving me with an 80k credit profit, 1cpu profit. Like DE's, my products do not decay which means you will be able to use it forever.
You are willing to pay 250k credits on a suit of armor that will have to be replaced eventually, a suit of armor that is netting the AS a profit of over 1000% over the cost of the resources involved, but for my eternal chassis you balk at 480k? You drop 200k on a weapon, but I can't make 80k in profit from the last A-wing I will ever sell you?
If you don't like it, don't buy it. If you look hard enough, you can find someone selling chassis for 2 or 3 cpu, but my T4 chassis takes 80k in resources which I paid 5cpu for and I refuse to sell at a loss. My current profit/loss statement is negative 7 million credits. I can only hope that my sales of re-engineered loot help cover that cost. I would have to sell 88 T4 chassis to recoup my 7 million investment and I don't see that happening.
Get off my back!"
Message Edited by GraySeven on 11-22-2004 09:06 AM
Tlk
Mon Nov 22, 2004 8:25 am
#3
He is slightly incorrected or perhaps unclear with the compraison of chasis to composite armor, everytime you repair your chasis it decays in HP, eventually it will be too low to function properly, however, for imperials, there is no reason to keep the low level chasis, so you will most likely only need one of them to advance to tier 4 where the advanced will be your basic ship. Equipted correctly, and flown well, you can keep that single chasis for a very long time, thus his point is that you will spend alot upfront, but it will last alot longer than other high end products in the game.
The comparison to armor is that the repairs on armor can actually destroy and/or degrade the stats. With ships, the only thing that is affect by repairs (which are always successful at space stations) is that the armor HP (and normal HP?) maximum conditions degrades by 10% of the total repair. Thus your weapons, and other components will not be inferior, just made of glass as they get repaired more frequently.
The comparison to armor is that the repairs on armor can actually destroy and/or degrade the stats. With ships, the only thing that is affect by repairs (which are always successful at space stations) is that the armor HP (and normal HP?) maximum conditions degrades by 10% of the total repair. Thus your weapons, and other components will not be inferior, just made of glass as they get repaired more frequently.
He isn't greedy for charging what he does, he simply charges what he feels is appropriate, which everyone shouldbe able to do. He shouldn't be belittled for it, if someone deons't like it, they can look else where.
-Padre-
Mon Nov 22, 2004 8:58 am
#4
i sell for 6cpu too. perfect price after you hit master. keep a stock of 1 or 2 of every tier2, 3, 4, master and you'll be fine. dont worry about it, dont worry about people who sweat you.
sell missiles and bombs, launchers, repair kits, paint kits, texture kits. sell countermeasures. sell the crap that doesnt drop as loot! 
Ackew
Mon Nov 22, 2004 9:26 am
#5
This is the reason I DO NOT make chassis. The stuff IWOULD use is worth 3 or 4 times what you charge Gary. And as you would of found the quality of resources makes very little difference to chassis. I will stick to components where I can get the money thier worth and had about 2 complains out of now thouands ofsales.
Arialias
Mon Nov 22, 2004 9:43 am
#6
I charge a flat fee of 7 CPU. I will admot they are not the server best. I could make them super ubber with resources that have not spawned in almost a year. But I always hit bass mass then I dump all left over points into the hit points. I have seen some on my server selling master lvl ships for 150k. I went ho his shop planning on make a few purchases but nothing was there. I went back a few times since and it is always empty.
I have been told a few times that I charge to much for this and that. Well I have almost cut the price on my armor in half. As I know this ia more of a consumible item that a standard comp. I keep my vendors well stocked with almost everything. Oh my chassis guy I will be trying to keepo about 2 of everything. If I sell one ill make another if I dont no lose. As somewhere down the road someone will want it and there it is.
Sell for what you think your time invested and materials are worth and not a penny less. The one nighters shipwrighters are already starting to fade away. Have to be focused if you plan on staying with the profession long. Me I am in for the long haul.
Zaket
Mon Nov 22, 2004 9:49 am
#7
Ackew wrote:
This is the reason I DO NOT make chassis. The stuff IWOULD use is worth 3 or 4 times what you charge Gary. And as you would of found the quality of resources makes very little difference to chassis. I will stick to components where I can get the money thier worth and had about 2 complains out of now thouands ofsales.
Well, I don't go that far. I agree though it's amazing that the components I sell at 20 cpu people will buy without question (I sell Mark III Proton packs as 25k a pop like they are candy) but they will occasionally balk at paying 5.5 cpu for a chassis.
In fact, I've recently found out that some folks in my PA have been complaining to the PA officers about the prices I charge PA members. Given that (1) I've mined or bought everything I use to build the chassis, (2) I give them a 30% discount from my retail rate (they therefore payan effective rate of 3.85 cpu) and (3) I'm selling to them at a lose, this really chokes me up.
rols_cerentz
Mon Nov 22, 2004 10:38 am
#8
Tlk wrote:He is slightly incorrected or perhaps unclear with the compraison of chasis to composite armor, everytime you repair your chasis it decays in HP, eventually it will be too low to function properly, however, for imperials, there is no reason to keep the low level chasis, so you will most likely only need one of them to advance to tier 4 where the advanced will be your basic ship. Equipted correctly, and flown well, you can keep that single chasis for a very long time, thus his point is that you will spend alot upfront, but it will last alot longer than other high end products in the game.
The comparison to armor is that the repairs on armor can actually destroy and/or degrade the stats. With ships, the only thing that is affect by repairs (which are always successful at space stations) is that the armor HP (and normal HP?) maximum conditions degrades by 10% of the total repair. Thus your weapons, and other components will not be inferior, just made of glass as they get repaired more frequently.He isn't greedy for charging what he does, he simply charges what he feels is appropriate, which everyone should be able to do. He shouldn't be belittled for it, if someone deons't like it, they can look else where.
That is precisely the problem with chassis. There should be a set hit point number, for each chassis, at which point the overall peformance of the chassis starts to cause the ship to perform at a lower level. Like a modifier to the Pitch, Yaw and Roll or the maximum speed that the ship can travel at, regardless of the state the engine is in.
There needs to be some reason other then, the entire ship appears made of 'glass' for a pilot to need to replace that chassis.
A reason like that, along with some kind of adjustment to the quantity of resources required could seriously help Shipwrights sell more chassis as well as lower the cost of those Chassis, in order to make such a system affordable and thus playable for the majority of players.
Yeah, you can get the 'problem' of players having issues with needing to remove all components and then put all those components back into the new chassis. This becomes exacerbated with MP Ships that are decorated. Then there's the argument that Han never replaced the Millenium Falcon, yadda-yadda...
First, this is a game simply based upon the Star Wars Movies. Secondly, the solution that that 'issue' is quite simple. You have an X-Wing that is performing like crap. So, you buy a new X-Wing chassi blueprint and get it turned into a 'Ship Pill'. You activate the ship pill and the game notices that you already have an X-Wing in your D-Pad. A simple yes/no question can popup. "Do you want to 'Refresh' your existing starship?"
What that would do is take the HP and Mass of your new X-Wing and simply lay those on top of the old X-Wing, leaving everything else intact. The 'Ship Pill' merges with your existing Starship in your D-pad and everything works like 'new' again. Unless, of course, all your components are made of 'glass'. At which point, you may want/need to replace those.
The Overall performance of the starship 'should' be modified based upon the HP condition of the Chassis.
rols_cerentz
Mon Nov 22, 2004 10:40 am
#9
Zaket wrote:
Ackew wrote:This is the reason I DO NOT make chassis. The stuff I WOULD use is worth 3 or 4 times what you charge Gary. And as you would of found the quality of resources makes very little difference to chassis. I will stick to components where I can get the money thier worth and had about 2 complains out of now thouands of sales.Well, I don't go that far.
In fact, I've recently found out that some folks in my PA have been complaining to the PA officers about the prices I charge PA members. Given that (1) I've mined or bought everything I use to build the chassis, (2) I give them a 30% discount from my retail rate (they therefore pay an effective rate of 3.85 cpu) and (3) I'm selling to them at a lose, this really chokes me up.
Tell them to either start making their own, or bring you all of the resources and charge them a flat-rate of 5k to 15k just to craft the ship. Put more of the onus on them and they will see how expensive it is to be a Shipwright, since most of them will end up buying resources from outside vendors and will see how much SW really costs.
ZenDragonMLS
Mon Nov 22, 2004 11:38 am
#10
The answer is pretty simple - the people telling you that you are greedy/overpriced/etc are not your customers. You gain nothing by listening to them but ulcers. Just ignore them.
Scythe
Mon Nov 22, 2004 11:57 am
#11
You got it Zen, whenever someone starts yelling at me about prices, I merely shrug, turn around, and wait for the little you've got mail sound that means that someone else bought the same product that this misanthrope decided was too expensive. I get complaints about prices, but I have to scramble to keep my vendor in stock. Hm. There's a phrase I like to refer to at these times: "Money talks, BS walks." Let the BS walk.
-Asmodeus-
Mon Nov 22, 2004 2:28 pm
#12
Agreed, being a Master armorsmith on starsider for over a year, I have dealt with many many people that complain about my prices. one thing I have noticed those that complain do so, because they are part of the latest generation of spoiled adolescents that want it now and want it for nothing..... gimme gimme gimme. I don't force anyone to buy my stuff, and I don't advertise on the trade boards saying i have the best prices or anything. I base my prices on what it took for me to be able to make said equipment, not on what others sell it for, and not on what Noobs think it should cost.
I had a player come to me, just started a new char on starsider, but used to play on Ahazi, and ask how much I charge for a full set of Chitin. I told em 180k....... they started calling me names and complaining that Chitin is low end armor and should cost 7-10k for a full set. he didn't even bother with asking for stats. I didn't even bother wasteing the 20 min it would take to explain to him why it costs what it costs and that 70% kinetic chitin with a 50% base isn't your your average Noob armor that can be bought on the bazaar...... so I just walked away, saying sorry then I can't help you. then the tells start coming, this is when addignore is used.
Someone who started the game 2 weeks ago, and says hey I got 100k finally, now I should be able to buy the top end stuff in the game. when they find out they are wrong, they gripe like there's no tommorrow. These retards just can't understand the scope of what us Vet's have gone through of collecting/trading only the top end resources on the server for over a year to be able to make whatwe make, and by spending a small amount of a couple hunderd k creds, you will be able to make almost 5 mill wearing the set before it's needing replacing. people like this get 2 things from me.
#1 an email message. thankyou for your harrassment. you have been banned from our city and all guild vendors. have a nice day if after you have spent some more time playing and understand the economy of the game and how to barter and you then wish to review our services, please feel free to contact me to discuss the un-banning from our services.
if after you have spent some more time playing and understand the economy of the game and how to barter and you then wish to review our services, please feel free to contact me to discuss the un-banning from our services.#2 cityban, mall/vendor ban, guild email explaining who/why.
Now as for shipwright, I don't run the title, because I am quitting SWG soon, so I want my playtime to be MY PLAYTIME, not wasteing an hour trying to help others that only gripe about prices. I charge 3.3 cpu for chassis, and 10cpu straight up for all components. yeah it's a serious loss, but fugg it, I have over 40 million in resources stocked up and 300 million credits to show for over a years playing 5-6 hours a day. (Most of the money I made with my Alt combat character doing tons and tons of grinding). the funny thing is, even at 3.3cpu for the chassis people complain, but they still want you to use your uberest resources so they can have that 103k mass xwing. /shrug, if I charged on chassis what I charged for armor (yea using mostly the same resources) the chassis would cost a couple million.... lol see how they complain then. anyways, I consider myself one of, if not the best 10 point armorsmith on the server, so i don't take crap from anyone. I know the game from both sides as the combat and the crafter as I have have played both for over a year.
I put right in my BIO, if you don't like my prices, no one is forcing you to buy from me. If you don't know exactly what you want to order and have questions, go order from someone else,I no longer have the time or paitience to explain what can be found on the forums. My prices are set, take it or leave it.
Iwami
Mon Nov 22, 2004 2:49 pm
#13
I wouldnt call 480k for a tier4 ship greedy at all, now i saw a guy selling a tier1 for 500k, THATS greedy
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