Shipwright Archive

Message Edited by Chra on 11-22-2004 01:59 PM

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-Asmodeus- wrote:

Agreed, being a Master armorsmith on starsider for over a year, I have dealt with many many people that complain about my prices. one thing I have noticed those that complain do so, because they are part of the latest generation of spoiled adolescents that want it now and want it for nothing..... gimme gimme gimme. I don't force anyone to buy my stuff, and I don't advertise on the trade boards saying i have the best prices or anything. I base my prices on what it took for me to be able to make said equipment, not on what others sell it for, and not on what Noobs think it should cost.

I had a player come to me, just started a new char on starsider, but used to play on Ahazi, and ask how much I charge for a full set of Chitin. I told em 180k....... they started calling me names and complaining that Chitin is low end armor and should cost 7-10k for a full set. he didn't even bother with asking for stats. I didn't even bother wasteing the 20 min it would take to explain to him why it costs what it costs and that 70% kinetic chitin with a 50% base isn't your your average Noob armor that can be bought on the bazaar...... so I just walked away, saying sorry then I can't help you. then the tells start coming, this is when addignore is used.

Someone who started the game 2 weeks ago, and says hey I got 100k finally, now I should be able to buy the top end stuff in the game. when they find out they are wrong, they gripe like there's no tommorrow. These retards just can't understand the scope of what us Vet's have gone through of collecting/trading only the top end resources on the server for over a year to be able to make whatwe make, and by spending a small amount of a couple hunderd k creds, you will be able to make almost 5 mill wearing the set before it's needing replacing. people like this get 2 things from me.

#1 an email message. thankyou for your harrassment. you have been banned from our city and all guild vendors. have a nice day if after you have spent some more time playing and understand the economy of the game and how to barter and you then wish to review our services, please feel free to contact me to discuss the un-banning from our services.

#2 cityban, mall/vendor ban, guild email explaining who/why.

Now as for shipwright, I don't run the title, because I am quitting SWG soon, so I want my playtime to be MY PLAYTIME, not wasteing an hour trying to help others that only gripe about prices. I charge 3.3 cpu for chassis, and 10cpu straight up for all components. yeah it's a serious loss, but fugg it, I have over 40 million in resources stocked up and 300 million credits to show for over a years playing 5-6 hours a day. (Most of the money I made with my Alt combat character doing tons and tons of grinding). the funny thing is, even at 3.3cpu for the chassis people complain, but they still want you to use your uberest resources so they can have that 103k mass xwing. /shrug, if I charged on chassis what I charged for armor (yea using mostly the same resources) the chassis would cost a couple million.... lol see how they complain then. anyways, I consider myself one of, if not the best 10 point armorsmith on the server, so i don't take crap from anyone. I know the game from both sides as the combat and the crafter as I have have played both for over a year.

I put right in my BIO, if you don't like my prices, no one is forcing you to buy from me. If you don't know exactly what you want to order and have questions, go order from someone else,I no longer have the time or paitience to explain what can be found on the forums. My prices are set, take it or leave it.

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Message Edited by Lomier on 11-22-2004 02:55 PM

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hamhamthe3rd wrote:

i only buy what me, myself and i think is priced right, regardless if the seller agrees with me or not. if im at a vendor i dont ask the guy to price his things lower so i can buy from him, i go somewhere else. for example, when i started on a new server i wanted a light duty tie fighter. went to a vendor and they were 25k, didnt like that price so i moved on and found aguy selling them cheaper.

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actually, you only buy them when the vendor agrees with you. in the first example, you did not haggle, and by default, he did not agree, so no sale. the definition of fair market value is the price at which a knowledgable buyer and seller will agree. if everyone else paid 25k (only 5cpu, so really not a bad price), your purchase for less was at below fair market value, and thus a bargain. but the seller still has to agree to it.

I make the occassional high-end chassis to order, and have enough mined resources to make a few. I'd prefer to stick to custom orders for components though (especially for launchers, etc that don't drop as loot).

Chassis sales are lucky to amount to 2 or 3 a day, but then I am selling from Talus and won't bow to having a Coronet vendor set up.

I'm sorry but next time you write an "open letter" check your facts. Honestly. A shipwright that doesn't know that ships AND components decay? Won't get much respect from me without even that basic knowledge.

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Mejowepra wrote:
I'm sorry but next time you write an "open letter" check your facts. Honestly. A shipwright that doesn't know that ships AND components decay? Won't get much respect from me without even that basic knowledge.

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Decay? Do you fly at all, if you have, maybe you'd notice that some pilots are flying around in 121(my advanced atm)or less Hitpoint chassis, and since it won't reach zero, and even if it does(you know you can fly with the chassis at 0/XXXX, I've done it.) Its a mute point. My engine has 5.4armor and 9.6hps, worse case scenario is when I overload I have to repair it since it drops to 82%.

The only thing that matters on decay is Plating. Since it rips away your protection, but once those are gone your as good as dead, occasionally with "new" equipment that has good armor/hps you'll be able to finish a hostile or a mission, but those are few and far between, and once I hit the teir3 missions, as soon as armor fails its near instant death.

As for being greedy, like the other stated, charge what you will, I won't sell a chassis for less than 10cr/unit, it isn't worth my time to whip up. Components I charge about a 30-33cr/unit, unless its the mark V's which I am only able to get about 20cr/unit(not making anymore of these) Its like this in all professions, so and so has it for X price, then go buy it and leave me alone, but he isn't stocked, well I'm not bloody f'in Walmart or Bestbuy, I don't price match, nor do I give you a price match +an additional 10% off for buying at me.

I think I got the awesome Starship Crafting Tool. It only takes me like 35 seconds to make a YT-1300 or Decimator or somesuch...I must have fast fingers . BTW, I'm seeling my master ships for 10k on Eclipse...










jk

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GraySeven wrote:

I got a tell from a customer that said, basically, that I was being greedy for selling T4 chassis at 480k cr. This is an open respose to everyone who feels the need to tell me I'm being greedy:

Message Edited by GraySeven on 11-22-2004 09:06 AM

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That's cheap, you're not greedy at all. I charge 600k for a tier four ship. I might not be the cheapest but I'm certainly not the most expensive in my galaxy. Generally I charge 6-7cpu depending on the tier of the chassis - the higher the tier the more I charge on a cpu basis. And I also add a nominal fee for my work (around 10 - 15%) of the cpu costs. I have to factor in the work it takes to get all these resources. Whether I harvest or buy it takes effort and/or lots of credits. Costs of vendor maintenance and so on should also figure. Plus my time is also important (to me at least).

I might not sell my ships as fast as someone selling at 50% of my prices but I have to make a profit - and eventually all my stuff gets sold. I'm not in a hurry to make the most amount of money in the shortest time. I'm patient.

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Tanks wrote:

I had someone ask me for a decimator. I said price was 1.5mil. He said this other guy advertises for 750K. My response was to go and buy it.

Guess what? It turned out the guy did not have the resources to make it that instance and asked him to wait a few days.

I am 1.5M richer.

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This also is a reason to sell cheaper. If you do not have the resources, to make a sale right now, you can offer it at a discount at a later point in time. Some people are willing to wait. Some are not. I do not want to make myself a slave to my customers, so I sometimes ask them to wait. I get away with this more often then not, because I am one of the cheaper shipwrights. I still trippled my bank account, so I am happy with this.

In a way, this devides the market in SW type A, selling cheap but with a waiting list and SW type B selling at a higher rate, but without the need to wait. The former is able to mine most of the resources himself. The later will need to buy resources, and therfore will not be able to compete in price. He will, however, be able to compete in availability of products. Here, the SW A will not be able to compete.

There is a market for both types of SW. Not everybody is able to afford 1.5M for a master ship. So some people are more then willing to wait for a discount of 50%. Other people will want their ship at once, and will not be willing to wait.

In a way this evens out. Sure, the SW with the low prices will not make as much money, but this might not be his goal.

Regards

Niacia