Shipwright Archive
Thread: shipwrights bottoming out????
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RTPrimus
Thu Jan 13, 2005 11:03 am
#1
you know, I was in game last night and about 8 out of 10 shipwrights I as are what I call old masters. There are hardly any new and up and coming SW anywere, so, has the ginders bottomed out?
PLEASE SAY SO, maybe then the supply kings will drop there prices to before JTL ranges and all ship prices will fall some what. lol
Starstrider6
Thu Jan 13, 2005 12:03 pm
#2
*raises hand* New and upcoming SW here.
It's not that I'm trying to gofast, I'm dropping harvesters for resources so I'll have to collect those before I can go beyond 2-2-2-2.
Players may be dropping it because it's not the hot new thing anymore. Or if I may paraphrase: "This is the Shipwrightprofession. Not as simple as leaving resources in a factory and cranking out crates, but a more elegant profession for a more civilized player."
syncmast
Thu Jan 13, 2005 12:07 pm
#3
the biggest thing I've notice is chassis are not selling. Most people have their ship and are now buying parts. The bad thing I notice was I was looking for a certain type of resource yesterday and ran acroos a ship vendor. Well this guy had all his ships at 50k including the b-wing. His mulitiplayer master ships were sit at 300k. These are the type of prople that ruin it for the rest of us.
Chiwawa
Thu Jan 13, 2005 12:14 pm
#4
syncmast wrote:the biggest thing I've notice is chassis are not selling. Most people have their ship and are now buying parts. The bad thing I notice was I was looking for a certain type of resource yesterday and ran acroos a ship vendor. Well this guy had all his ships at 50k including the b-wing. His mulitiplayer master ships were sit at 300k. These are the type of prople that ruin it for the rest of us.
It is a free market, people can sell at what they like. I cannot say that I have noticed the (in general) low quality, low cost MSW having any impact whatsoever on my sales.
NajaPallida
Thu Jan 13, 2005 12:50 pm
#5
syncmast wrote:
the biggest thing I've notice is chassis are not selling. Most people have their ship and are now buying parts. The bad thing I notice was I was looking for a certain type of resource yesterday and ran acroos a ship vendor. Well this guy had all his ships at 50k including the b-wing. His mulitiplayer master ships were sit at 300k. These are the type of prople that ruin it for the rest of us.
Actually, the reason that chassis are not selling is simple... No Decay. No repeat business for ships involved in PvP combat (in Deep Space). period.
Well.. that may not be entirely true... I'll never PvP in Deep Space... only in local space... so I'll always be a "potential" repeat shipwright customer. However, I am (apparently) a "dinosaur"... I believe in theSWG simulationdesign, as SOE laid it out, and will continue to play as best as I can within those established parameters. I expect that nobody else on my server will agree with me... so I'll be limited to "sniping" rookies that are running Rebel missions while covert... It's a dirty job... but someone's gotta do it :-}
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Ducimus
Thu Jan 13, 2005 8:06 pm
#6
syncmast wrote:the biggest thing I've notice is chassis are not selling. Most people have their ship and are now buying parts.
Thats the problem. A large portion of most SW's stock is chassis. When JTL launched, well, that was the commedity. But that isn't what "this pilot" wants.
Now, im no SW, but i feel the money making days by selling chassis are long over. Decay (or lackthereof) is not as large a contributer to lack of chassis sales as some would suggest. I feel its really based on two things:
- Market saturation (every SW and his 2nd cousins, ex roommate sells chassis)
- maturing customer base (IE, alot are high teir, master, or mastered a few times over)
I think most of your chassis sales are going to come from newbies (but the rush is over now) and 2nd, or 3rd profession pilots. I for instance have every ship, in every profession in my storage house that exists soley as a warehouse of all the parts ive ferreted away for RE or later use.
Long story short, parts and RE is where its at. At least thats what i look for, and there is quite a few parts that i label as a "reoccuring expense"
Armor plating, missle packs, ECM packs, paint and texture kits.
But whats more, im always on the lookout for a better parts such as shields, reactors, L6, L7,L9 cannons.
Parts man.. PARTS! Chassis are as common as swoops, if not more so.
darevsool
Thu Jan 13, 2005 11:36 pm
#7
I'd have to agree. Personally, I think that chassis sales dropped off the week after launch. I sold my grinding chassis shortly after they were made, as I was making them, and made a killing that first week. Couldn't make parts because I was grinding chassis (actually had most of the resources available as I have an architect toon also). But the money, long term-wise, will always be in the consumables.
My question is, how many people are actually selling mass amounts ofmissiles/chaff? I'm certainly not. Nor do I seem to be selling large amounts of repair kits.
Granted, I'm (now) more of a part time shipwright than anything else, but I was hoping for a little more out of it than the ability to craft my own ships and parts.
As for components, 85% of what we make isn't as good as what we loot. Not much use making or selling things there if someone can loot better than what I can make using my top resources.
One exception with this seems to be high level engines. Those sell, we make those.
Capacitors? I can't come even CLOSE to crafting what I've looted.
As for selling RE'd parts? Haven't been able to do it, even at 500cr a pop. As soon as I RE it, it goes to the chassis dealer, I get much more money that way.
Of course, that is a double edged sword, unless you're willing to buy the space loot for more than 1k per level, you won't get much offered, as what incentive does anyone have to sell to a SW if an NPC will buy it from them?
I don't buy space loot, I RE what I personally gather or what my guildies drop off because of this.
So yeah, going back to the original topic, I'd have to say that SW has definately bottomed out.
And yes, even for Firepsprays. People are selling the disks for 1-2 million each generally. People pay approx 8 mil for the final product. Um...Where's the profit? Even with a 5 use schematic, as some apparently are, with the massive amount of super high quality resources you have to use for them...well, I'm not planning on being able to make one for awhile, and even when I do, they will be gifts to guildies more than anything else.
But this is all just me, and I'm tired and it's late at night, so things are skewed slightly
RTPrimus
Fri Jan 14, 2005 10:45 am
#8
Well, thanks for the input all. As for my business, I am doing very well. I sell about 4 master ship a week, and about 14 novice though Tier 4's in a week. As for parts, about 8 full ships per week.
But, again, thanks for all the imput.
syncmast
Fri Jan 14, 2005 12:24 pm
#9
so your saying it's fine if I put up a vendor next to your and charge less then 1cpu on my ships. And my stuff can be as good as or better then yours and you wouldn't say anything ?
Chiwawa wrote:
syncmast wrote:
the biggest thing I've notice is chassis are not selling. Most people have their ship and are now buying parts. The bad thing I notice was I was looking for a certain type of resource yesterday and ran acroos a ship vendor. Well this guy had all his ships at 50k including the b-wing. His mulitiplayer master ships were sit at 300k. These are the type of prople that ruin it for the rest of us.
It is a free market, people can sell at what they like. I cannot say that I have noticed the (in general) low quality, low cost MSW having any impact whatsoever on my sales.
UmmonPrime
Fri Jan 14, 2005 12:32 pm
#10
I'm getting ready to grind my way up too. Looking forward to it too. Have all my supplies ready for the grind and master.
Rowgue
Fri Jan 14, 2005 2:28 pm
#11
The supply kings will never lower their prices.
The reason they price stuff so high that was always available for 2-3 cpu before is because there is a demand for it now, no matter how many people are grinding shipwright or not.
Most shipwrights will buy just as many resources as they did while grinding just to support their business and keep their vendors stocked. The demand on these resources will never go away as long as poeple are still flying and shipwrights are still doing business.
As long as the resource requirements stay where they are and gathering them presents such a problem for a lot of people prices will stay where they are.
I was a master doc for a long time, and even just before I retired I still saw most people selling good avian meat for 20-50cpu even though I never bought any of that overpriced stuff myself.
Doo-Boo
Fri Jan 14, 2005 2:58 pm
#12
Rowgue wrote:The supply kings will never lower their prices.The reason they price stuff so high that was always available for 2-3 cpu before is because there is a demand for it now, no matter how many people are grinding shipwright or not.Most shipwrights will buy just as many resources as they did while grinding just to support their business and keep their vendors stocked. The demand on these resources will never go away as long as poeple are still flying and shipwrights are still doing business.As long as the resource requirements stay where they are and gathering them presents such a problem for a lot of people prices will stay where they are.I was a master doc for a long time, and even just before I retired I still saw most people selling good avian meat for 20-50cpu even though I never bought any of that overpriced stuff myself.
On Eclipse the good avian meat goes up to 200, 300 cpu.
UmmonPrime
Fri Jan 14, 2005 3:59 pm
#13
Doo-Boo wrote:
Rowgue wrote:
The supply kings will never lower their prices.
The reason they price stuff so high that was always available for 2-3 cpu before is because there is a demand for it now, no matter how many people are grinding shipwright or not.
Most shipwrights will buy just as many resources as they did while grinding just to support their business and keep their vendors stocked. The demand on these resources will never go away as long as poeple are still flying and shipwrights are still doing business.
As long as the resource requirements stay where they are and gathering them presents such a problem for a lot of people prices will stay where they are.
I was a master doc for a long time, and even just before I retired I still saw most people selling good avian meat for 20-50cpu even though I never bought any of that overpriced stuff myself.
On Eclipse the good avian meat goes up to 200, 300 cpu.
I sold some uber Avian for 800 cpu a while back and the best Herb spawn for 300 cpu. Damn good margin too since I harvested the herb myself and bought the avian for 200 cpu.
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