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I think you'll have better luck with this on your galaxy trade forum.

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Sacsha wrote:

This week I had a custom order/gift on my vendor for a friend of mine that had 12 items in a backpack, sure enough someone else bought it and we have not been able to contact this person since, nor have they replied to our mail asking them to return it to our vendor. I find this to be a sad thing for a person to do as it was CLEARLY marked "Gift for playernamehere " and had a message inside it saying "If you are not this person please do not purchase this item."

The persons name is Biwa, if all shipwrights could shopban this person it will show that such petty acts won't be tolerated and it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance

Your friendly neighbourhood shipwrights

Sacsha and Erylin

Farstar Server

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Why would you offer up for sale, on your own vendor, a gift to a particular player in the first place?

The best way to handle such transactions is for YOU to offer up the gift on the player's vendor that is to be recieving the gift if you can't meet face to face. That way, the only person that can receive the item is the owner of that vendor and not some random schmoe walking down the street.

If you put it up for public sale and someone from the general public walks up and purchases it, regardless of what note or sign you put up on it, you have no recourse. That person was not a thief, that was a customer and now you are attacking that customer which will only prove detrimental to yourself in the long run.

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rols_cerentz wrote:

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Sacsha wrote:

This week I had a custom order/gift on my vendor for a friend of mine that had 12 items in a backpack, sure enough someone else bought it and we have not been able to contact this person since, nor have they replied to our mail asking them to return it to our vendor. I find this to be a sad thing for a person to do as it was CLEARLY marked "Gift for playernamehere " and had a message inside it saying "If you are not this person please do not purchase this item."

The persons name is Biwa, if all shipwrights could shopban this person it will show that such petty acts won't be tolerated and it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance

Your friendly neighbourhood shipwrights

Sacsha and Erylin

Farstar Server

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Why would you offer up for sale, on your own vendor, a gift to a particular player in the first place?

The best way to handle such transactions is for YOU to offer up the gift on the player's vendor that is to be recieving the gift if you can't meet face to face. That way, the only person that can receive the item is the owner of that vendor and not some random schmoe walking down the street.

If you put it up for public sale and someone from the general public walks up and purchases it, regardless of what note or sign you put up on it, you have no recourse. That person was not a thief, that was a customer and now you are attacking that customer which will only prove detrimental to yourself in the long run.

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Ok, that's got to be the quote of the day. Are you insane?? A customer?? I agree the poster shouldn't have put a "gift" on the vendor. That makes me think the purchase price was VERY VERY LOW. In that respect, you kinda had that coming. Custom orders like that should be in a "hidden vendor" or hand delivered, on in an empty house that only the intended person and you have admin on. Im not saying this is the case but toput a fully decked out X-Wing in a bag for 100 credits labeled "gift" is BEGGING for someone to buy it just to see the contents.

As to the "customer" comment. Anyone who would buy something that was clearly marked for someone else is NOT someone I would EVER allow in my shop again. That's borderline greifing IMO and I'd spread the word on the guy too.

Box score:

Seller = Not too bright

Buyer = Low life griefer

Final score = Everyone loses

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Slochini wrote:

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rols_cerentz wrote:

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Sacsha wrote:

This week I had a custom order/gift on my vendor for a friend of mine that had 12 items in a backpack, sure enough someone else bought it and we have not been able to contact this person since, nor have they replied to our mail asking them to return it to our vendor. I find this to be a sad thing for a person to do as it was CLEARLY marked "Gift for playernamehere " and had a message inside it saying "If you are not this person please do not purchase this item."

The persons name is Biwa, if all shipwrights could shopban this person it will show that such petty acts won't be tolerated and it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance

Your friendly neighbourhood shipwrights

Sacsha and Erylin

Farstar Server

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Why would you offer up for sale, on your own vendor, a gift to a particular player in the first place?

The best way to handle such transactions is for YOU to offer up the gift on the player's vendor that is to be recieving the gift if you can't meet face to face. That way, the only person that can receive the item is the owner of that vendor and not some random schmoe walking down the street.

If you put it up for public sale and someone from the general public walks up and purchases it, regardless of what note or sign you put up on it, you have no recourse. That person was not a thief, that was a customer and now you are attacking that customer which will only prove detrimental to yourself in the long run.

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Ok, that's got to be the quote of the day. Are you insane?? A customer?? I agree the poster shouldn't have put a "gift" on the vendor. That makes me think the purchase price was VERY VERY LOW. In that respect, you kinda had that coming. Custom orders like that should be in a "hidden vendor" or hand delivered, on in an empty house that only the intended person and you have admin on. Im not saying this is the case but toput a fully decked out X-Wing in a bag for 100 credits labeled "gift" is BEGGING for someone to buy it just to see the contents.

As to the "customer" comment. Anyone who would buy something that was clearly marked for someone else is NOT someone I would EVER allow in my shop again. That's borderline greifing IMO and I'd spread the word on the guy too.

Box score:

Seller = Not too bright

Buyer = Low life griefer

Final score = Everyone loses

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I still say that person was not a thief. That was a legitimate transaction through the existing system of vendor sales/purchases. The buyer purchased something that was publicly available for sale. That cannot be explained as thievery under any law in, most likely, every nation on this planet.

It may not have been a very ethical thing for the buyer to do and honestly I wouldn't be extremely happy if that happened to me. On the other hand, I would never have attempted to sell a 'gift' to another player in that fashion.

You are perfectly entitled to keep anyone, at any time, from entering your shops. There's nothing wrong with wanting to take such an action.

I am sorry that the original poster had a break down in his/her logical thinking center when putting that item up for sale on his/her publicaly accesible vendor. It's a lesson learned.

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StevieC wrote:

Things like this have been the blight of the crafting professions, not everyone can be in the same place at the same time and not everyone has a vendor and/or the time to travel to all corners delivering orders.

So how is Sacsha in the wrong? Thanks for the heads up, I've informed the rest of my Guild and will be on watch for this.

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For putting too much faith in humanity.

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StevieC wrote:

Things like this have been the blight of the crafting professions, not everyone can be in the same place at the same time and not everyone has a vendor and/or the time to travel to all corners delivering orders.

So how is Sacsha in the wrong? Thanks for the heads up, I've informed the rest of my Guild and will be on watch for this.

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Sacsha is, unfortunately, wrong in assuming that everyone is a perfectly moral and ethical person. It has been my experience that there are a significant number of people in this world that will take advantage of such an offer, then there are those that will purchase such a thing simply out of spite, the rest might be indifferent or will pbey the request.

Because of those bad apples, humanity can look like a mass of vile, selfish, arrogant and self-centered slugs.

Anyway, the game already provides a few methods to correct such issues. If you are expecting a gift, put up a vendor and send the waypoint to the person providing the gift or simply wait until you can meet face to face with the person providing the gift.

If you do anything else, it is a high risk chance that you are taking.

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rols_cerentz wrote:

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Slochini wrote:

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rols_cerentz wrote:

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Sacsha wrote:

This week I had a custom order/gift on my vendor for a friend of mine that had 12 items in a backpack, sure enough someone else bought it and we have not been able to contact this person since, nor have they replied to our mail asking them to return it to our vendor. I find this to be a sad thing for a person to do as it was CLEARLY marked "Gift for playernamehere " and had a message inside it saying "If you are not this person please do not purchase this item."

The persons name is Biwa, if all shipwrights could shopban this person it will show that such petty acts won't be tolerated and it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance

Your friendly neighbourhood shipwrights

Sacsha and Erylin

Farstar Server

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Why would you offer up for sale, on your own vendor, a gift to a particular player in the first place?

The best way to handle such transactions is for YOU to offer up the gift on the player's vendor that is to be recieving the gift if you can't meet face to face. That way, the only person that can receive the item is the owner of that vendor and not some random schmoe walking down the street.

If you put it up for public sale and someone from the general public walks up and purchases it, regardless of what note or sign you put up on it, you have no recourse. That person was not a thief, that was a customer and now you are attacking that customer which will only prove detrimental to yourself in the long run.

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Ok, that's got to be the quote of the day. Are you insane?? A customer?? I agree the poster shouldn't have put a "gift" on the vendor. That makes me think the purchase price was VERY VERY LOW. In that respect, you kinda had that coming. Custom orders like that should be in a "hidden vendor" or hand delivered, on in an empty house that only the intended person and you have admin on. Im not saying this is the case but toput a fully decked out X-Wing in a bag for 100 credits labeled "gift" is BEGGING for someone to buy it just to see the contents.

As to the "customer" comment. Anyone who would buy something that was clearly marked for someone else is NOT someone I would EVER allow in my shop again. That's borderline greifing IMO and I'd spread the word on the guy too.

Box score:

Seller = Not too bright

Buyer = Low life griefer

Final score = Everyone loses

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I still say that person was not a thief. That was a legitimate transaction through the existing system of vendor sales/purchases. The buyer purchased something that was publicly available for sale. That cannot be explained as thievery under any law in, most likely, every nation on this planet.

It may not have been a very ethical thing for the buyer to do and honestly I wouldn't be extremely happy if that happened to me. On the other hand, I would never have attempted to sell a 'gift' to another player in that fashion.

You are perfectly entitled to keep anyone, at any time, from entering your shops. There's nothing wrong with wanting to take such an action.

I am sorry that the original poster had a break down in his/her logical thinking center when putting that item up for sale on his/her publicaly accesible vendor. It's a lesson learned.

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From a purely LEGAL stand point you are correct. It's more an ethics question then anything else. Players who do stuff like that tend to do other things in the game that are less then savory.A blight on the game as a whole.

Message Edited by Mariki on 11-03-2004 09:27 AM