Shipwright Archive
Thread: Farstar server : Warning about a Custom order theif.
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IamCadan
Wed Nov 03, 2004 11:09 am
#14
The best way to give someone a bunch of stuff would be to make them admins on your house (assuming u trust them) so they can just grab the item. Or have them make u an admin on their house so you can easily drop it off.
As for the suggestion about dropping it on the customers vendor, the only problem with that is vendors now self destruct if you're not a merchant now once they're empty.
As for the suggestion about dropping it on the customers vendor, the only problem with that is vendors now self destruct if you're not a merchant now once they're empty.
Warryyr
Wed Nov 03, 2004 11:31 am
#15
That's so shady, I hate it when people do this.
I don't care if it's a fair transaction in-game, it's a craptacular thing to do to anyone.
Anyone who buys something in my shop's vendors that was specifically labelled for someone else gets permanently banned fromevery one of my shops(unless there is a previous arrangement for pickup).
I highly recommend, as someone mentioned earlier, putting gag bags of stupid junk on your vendor. My favorite is the bag of 9 Chance Cubes for 15000. Go ahead and label the pack anything. "x-wing parts" or "Jojo's YT-1300 stuff" or whatever. The people are warned when they buy a backpack that the contents may not be what is indicated on the label.
Always put up dupe packs on your custom orders vendor. It's the best tactic, hopefully the random pack they choose will be the fake one, they'll get screwed, and they'll leave your shop in disgust. And shopban every single moron who steals what is meant for someone else.
Gah, this sort of thing annoys me so much...
Sacsha
Wed Nov 03, 2004 2:43 pm
#16
ok first things first, yes it is a learning experience, however it doesn't make us stupid. Having faith that people aren't going to be rotten little craps is taking it a bit far I guess, however saying that its not stealing something lol, buddy what the heck? If I buy someone a birthday present in real life and leave it on a table so that the person who its labeled for gets it and some joe comes along and takes it, thats not stealing? Get real. And can you please explain to me exactly how naming a theif is going to hurt my buisness? Oh no! I lost all the theif customers! What a shame.
Thank you everyone who has been supportive, I appreciate it.
And I know you all think it sounds stupid that we would just drop a gift into the vendor - but frankly if you're all shipwrights you should know how busy its been, me and my partner have spent litterally days in the last week crafting, searching for resources, selling things, restocking etc. Its been insane and I don't have time to go and deliver every little custom order. Does that make me in the wrong for having faith someone else isn't going to come in and buy it? No. People shouldn't be so lowlifed.
This wasn't meant to be a post about discussing if what I did was wrong or right, its about the fact that someone stole something and they should be named for it, just like if a murderer is let out of jail, they let you know about it so YOU'RE not the next victim.
Thanks for the suggestions with the hidden vendor, might try it out 
rols- please don't be silly. a theif is a theif is a theif any way you look at it, he stole something. End of story.
Everyone else - this was simply meant to bea warning so that it doesn't happen to you please take it for what it is.
please take it for what it is.
dmameld
Wed Nov 03, 2004 3:29 pm
#17
Dont pay attention to anyone telling you not to post here. I get that all the time by self appointed forum regulators. You're intentions were honorable, and you have learned a valuable lesson; one which unfortunately applies to real life as well. Don't trust anyone. Hunt the man who stole this down and steal his kills or lure him into a trap through another vendor friend. Like his custom order with nothing in it. Either strike back or let it go. Be patient and you will get your chance.
-talon-
Flurry
rexan
Wed Nov 03, 2004 6:01 pm
#18
StevieC wrote:
Things like this have been the blight of the crafting professions, not everyone can be in the same place at the same time and not everyone has a vendor and/or the time to travel to all corners delivering orders.
So how is Sacsha in the wrong? Thanks for the heads up, I've informed the rest of my Guild and will be on watch for this.
Sacsha is not wrong. Just too trusting to put a private party transaction for sale with a low price (im assuming it was 1cr).
One way I handle private party sales is to tack a 500k deposite onto the price. When the private party buys the item, they offer the bag back to me on my vendor for 500k. Once I accept it, the deposite is returned,everyone is happy, private party transaction is finished.
If Joe griefer buys the bag that wasintended for someone else, well I just make a 500k bonus.
ScrufyNurfHurdur
Wed Nov 03, 2004 11:09 pm
#19
Well you could place a bunch of packs up with a series of numbers as it's name, keep a couple sets around to switch them out once in awhile. The customer picking up their product would look for the series of numbers which you provided to them, thus they end up with what they bought. That or the DEV's need to place a new option on the vendor screento tie that one item to a name.
Tanks
Wed Nov 03, 2004 11:18 pm
#20
Mysolution for similar situations assuming that the person is not trustworthy enough to give admin is to treat it just like a regular custom order.
If the pack has stuff in it that is worth 300K, I put the bag name "Joe's Order" for 300K on the vendor. If it is a gift then I ask "Joe" to offer an item to the vendor for 300K.
That way if someone buys it, of course, sight unseen you are out only time.
I have yet to have anyone buy someone else's order even by accident.
RagNoRock5x
Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:57 am
#21
My favorite thing to do is put special orders on vendor and put some odd items in there then 1 chance cube named "red/blue either way you stole"
Fun fun, and easy money
TurboSith
Thu Nov 04, 2004 9:46 am
#22
Tanks wrote:
Mysolution for similar situations assuming that the person is not trustworthy enough to give admin is to treat it just like a regular custom order.
If the pack has stuff in it that is worth 300K, I put the bag name "Joe's Order" for 300K on the vendor. If it is a gift then I ask "Joe" to offer an item to the vendor for 300K.
That way if someone buys it, of course, sight unseen you are out only time.
I have yet to have anyone buy someone else's order even by accident.
that's exactly what i do.... it cant go wrong and you can easily just replace the order...
however putting it up for 1cr and saying dont buy it whenit has about 10 things in it is screaming for you to sell it...
it happens... some people dont even notice names or care to read it... and some people buy it hoping its a grab bag...
i don't see how its "unethical" and makes you "lose faith in humanity" though
famousbarry
Thu Nov 04, 2004 9:57 am
#23
I don't play on this server, and maybe its been said once already, but I would post this person's name on all server related & crafting related boards. He'll be in for a shock when everyone on your server is ignoring him &shop banning him. Although, I never place customer special orders on a public vendor, what could be done is to have access to a small house where you both have admin access. I use a house that I have server lot swaped so that the only real risk is a chance that the owner could come by and steal it, but that never happens. Or, you could price it rediculously high on your normal vendor then tip your customer back the difference. the way I would see it, if the thief really wanted that order, theyd have to pay through the noseto get it. Just my 2 credits worth.
rols_cerentz
Thu Nov 04, 2004 11:02 am
#24
famousbarry wrote:I don't play on this server, and maybe its been said once already, but I would post this person's name on all server related & crafting related boards. He'll be in for a shock when everyone on your server is ignoring him & shop banning him. Although, I never place customer special orders on a public vendor, what could be done is to have access to a small house where you both have admin access. I use a house that I have server lot swaped so that the only real risk is a chance that the owner could come by and steal it, but that never happens. Or, you could price it rediculously high on your normal vendor then tip your customer back the difference. the way I would see it, if the thief really wanted that order, theyd have to pay through the nose to get it. Just my 2 credits worth.
Yeah, that's the ticket.
The way to 'fix' this is to become extremely vindictive and foster an environment of petty revenge across as many servers as possible.
That won't work, because all that player has to do is delete the 'offensive' character and create a new toon, complete with new name. This is only easier when the player has either a very trustworthy to him/her guild or multiple accounts to temporarily place certain items in.
The best way to fix this issue is to follow some of the suggestions mentioned above and relax about this. It was sale, there was no thievery. In fact, there are only two methods to actually commit a crime of theft available in this game. (Which honestly is a very long way away from the possibilities of thievery that were once available in Ultima Online at release...)
The First way to commit a theft is to work up a trade for a house. You get some unsuspecting mark to take an interest in a house you want to 'sell'. You get that mark to tip you the credits and then you don't follow through with the transfer structure command. That's not going to work for very long because word can spread like wildfire.
The second is to have or give admin rights to a house. Which again, wouldn't work for very long, because word travels fast.
Beyond that, it is simply impossible to commit thievery in this game.
There's no pick-pocket skill, like there was/is in Ultima Online, which would rock fiercely in SWG in that it would eliminate all of those AFK players immediately. You couldn't sit around anywhere publicly without the fear of somone sneaking a peek at your goods and running off with something. I got whacked more then once in UO because some thief actually, literally stole all of my Mandrake Root or Pearls while I was in combat, talk about being griefed...
Secure trades are very secure, unlike the trade system available at the launch of Ultima Online, I understand it was simple to 'steal' during such transactions. I didn't start playing UO until after the first expansion for it had come out and those issues had been resolved, so I don't know for sure..
There's no way to B&E someone's home, either by waiting for them to open their door and invisibly sneaking in behind them or through any other fashion. Which was still possible in Ultima Online for nearly 3 years of it's existence as a MMORPG.
We have it so easy in Star Wars Galaxies, I used to hate the thievery crap in Ultima Online. It sucked to be minding your own business checking through your bank, only to have someone hiding near where you stop to 'bank' and then have him/her snatch away your items right from under your nose. Very dangerous, yes, but still possible...
SOE has done a bang up job on making it possible to very, very rarely feel 'teh grief' and most of the time anyone does feel 'teh grief' it is because of something they did themselves, unless they are a Rebel and unluckily get figured out by an NPC Storm Trooper scan.
It sucks that the original poster got 'griefed', but in the end who really is to blame? The guy that either went "Cool a grab bag!" or "Hehhee... 1 Credit what a fool..." or the person that setup the temptation for the 'thief' in the first place?
Billcat
Thu Nov 04, 2004 11:09 am
#25
Just put the gift on at a very high price and bank tipyour freind the after he picks it up
famousbarry
Thu Nov 04, 2004 8:54 pm
#26
thats what docs do when buffees dont tip or tip the full amount. When I was a doc, I had my ignore list full of names of fools who were blacklisted. Ever here of the Better Business Bureau? yeah there may not have actually been any theft, but that guy bought something clearly marked for someone else at a great price, then wouldnt return it once the real owner contacted him. its not being vindictive, just making them pay the full price, one way or another. You can't let those types feel like they've won because that takes from all the rest of us.
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