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Thread: Pricing RE Components

Dadoum
Thu Aug 11, 2005 7:55 am
#1

I have a simple formula I use for pricing my crafted components based on cpu. Maybe simplistic but it works for me.


But I'm curious what other shipwrights think on pricing top notch RE components. Most of the ones I have seen for sale on Shadowfire look like they were slapped together with whatever was around.


For a part that you have taken the time to go through hundreds of parts to make how do you put a price on that? I guess there is no objective way to determine that but for me such a part should sell for much higher than I have seen RE components going for. Then again you don't see many of these uber parts for sale because there are so few of them around.




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macnider123123
Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:11 am
#2

Properly RE'd components are beyond the reach of casual flyers. To fetch the right price for these kinds of things I sell them on trade forums. You'll always get more money that dropping it on a vendor. Most flyers don't look on vendors for RE'd stuff.



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Thunderbyte
Thu Aug 11, 2005 8:36 am
#3

I wondered this same thing..... and came to the conclusion that it's not worth selling RE'd parts, you'll never get the value out of the really good parts, and the not-so-good parts usually can be beat by crafted parts.

I RE for me and my guildmates, and when I RE for my guildmates I usually don't charge them more than 1k per level of component per component..... if I charge them anything at all. Sometimes it's better to just make a gift of something you spent so much time on, rather than try to assign some imaginary value to it.



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RideIlluminati
Thu Aug 11, 2005 11:48 am
#4

I square the part lvl, for example a lvl 5 part is $25,000 and my vendors are busy as hell after my weekly RE sessions. My ships are decked out so I don't really need the gear anymore. If I find something really good I will save it for when a guild mate needs something.


I think that price could even go up a bit more but I am fine with the returns I get.




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Azarken
Fri Aug 12, 2005 5:26 am
#5


my ships havent got to the point in happy with yet so havent really produced any amazing RE's but i think if i were to sell some it'd have to be the auction forum for my server because they are near impossible to price. the main reason for that being so few people sell parts above level 7. they tend to keep them for themselves to get re'd etc so that makes thing that much more rare. pluss the drop rate on lvl 7 and above stuff is a little lower, and lower again for realllly good lvl 7 and above stuff.


for example i did 3 naboo black sun duties last night. all ships in the duty are tier 4 and 5. a ratio of about 75% tier 4 and 25% tier 5. from those 3 duties i got around 60 parts. from those 60 parts maybe 10-15 of them at the very most were level 7 or above. and from those 10-15 only about 2-4 were parts that were great. so even by doing 3 missions a night every night it takes a long time to build up what you need. and even longer because people dont want to sell what they have. but every once in a while you get that sweet part that makes it worth it. like last night i picked up a 9.7 second lvl 10 DI and a 98.6 speed lvl 10 engine with 75 ish PYR.


Message Edited by Azarken on 08-12-2005 01:27 PM



Azarken Talamasca

QuantumArtist
Fri Aug 12, 2005 5:35 am
#6






Azarken wrote:


my ships havent got to the point in happy with yet so havent really produced any amazing RE's but i think if i were to sell some it'd have to be the auction forum for my server because they are near impossible to price. the main reason for that being so few people sell parts above level 7. they tend to keep them for themselves to get re'd etc so that makes thing that much more rare. pluss the drop rate on lvl 7 and above stuff is a little lower, and lower again for realllly good lvl 7 and above stuff.


for example i did 3 naboo black sun duties last night. all ships in the duty are tier 4 and 5. a ratio of about 75% tier 4 and 25% tier 5. from those 3 duties i got around 60 parts. from those 60 parts maybe 10-15 of them at the very most were level 7 or above. and from those 10-15 only about 2-4 were parts that were great. so even by doing 3 missions a night every night it takes a long time to build up what you need. and even longer because people dont want to sell what they have. but every once in a while you get that sweet part that makes it worth it. like last night i picked up a 9.7 second lvl 10 DI and a 98.6 speed lvl 10 engine with 75 ish PYR.



Message Edited by Azarken on 08-12-2005 01:27 PM





I think most shipwrites underprice their stuff dramatically. It doesnt matter if its crafted or not... its hard to keep up with the demand! Particularly as you've shown us in regards to reverse engineering level 5+ parts. Its even harder to find parts that are worth reverse engineering.


I guess thats why I get burnt up when I see other shipwrights selling level 10 stuff for like 100k... Then again, I just buy it and resell it if its good enough... lol.


Doesnt anyone research anymore?





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Azarken
Fri Aug 12, 2005 5:47 am
#7


I often check the bazaar and vendors etc to keep an eye open for lvl 8 and above parts but these days on eclipse there dont seem to be any for sale. people are just hording them.


Infact in the past few days i've had 3 people contact me to ask if they can negotiate for parts on my storage vendor. thing is there isnt really a way its fixable either. Increasing the drop rate will just mean everyones running around with the most amazing parts and that wont help.


Personally I'd love to see pilot prestige used to solve the problem. eg. space junk dealers at a space station somewhere. you choose what level item your looking for and in return for X amount of prestige they give you a random part of that level. or maybe you get to choose what type of part but it still has random stats.

It'd give us something to do with those worthless points.


Perhaps also they could stick in some navy type ranks or faction systems so as you spend more prestige on ranks in space the parts get cheaper because your reputation has grown with them.


they could also use it to put in some new quests. IE this station wont give you the chance at lvl 10 items until you do this quest for them.

Message Edited by Azarken on 08-12-2005 01:49 PM



Azarken Talamasca

QuantumArtist
Fri Aug 12, 2005 12:49 pm
#8






Thunderbyte wrote:
I wondered this same thing..... and came to the conclusion that it's not worth selling RE'd parts, you'll never get the value out of the really good parts, and the not-so-good parts usually can be beat by crafted parts.

I RE for me and my guildmates, and when I RE for my guildmates I usually don't charge them more than 1k per level of component per component..... if I charge them anything at all. Sometimes it's better to just make a gift of something you spent so much time on, rather than try to assign some imaginary value to it.






This is nice for the guildies I guess, but I have to disagree with crafted items being better then RE'd items. RE items take much more effort to assemble, and you have to be very patient. However, once you know what to look for and you plan your parts wisely, you can make far more superior weapons. For example, I made a level 7 REd cannon today with the following stats (roughly);



  • Armor/hit points; 550

  • Reactor drain; 1900

  • Mass; 10,000

  • Damage 1950-3000

  • Vs. Shields; .65

  • Vs. Armor; .65

  • Refire; .31

  • Per shot; 21

I dont have access to the exact numbers, but thats pretty close! Its a mean gun and a far cry better then any I've seen available on any vendor so far...


But it also took me a month to assemble. If I wasnt so impatient, I probably could have done alot better!




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Washell
Fri Aug 12, 2005 6:37 pm
#9






Azarken wrote:


98.6 speed lvl 10 engine with 75 ish PYR.



Message Edited by Azarken on 08-12-2005 01:27 PM



Want your 2.5 million back?


Dadoum
Fri Aug 12, 2005 7:39 pm
#10


Like Quantum I think shipwrights are undercharging for top notch parts. Its one thing to slap any set of same level parts together and RE it and then charge the square of the level. But another thing entirely when you are dealing with a part that has taken great time and expense to make.




Dadoum Ercad-17pt Engines/Weapon Systems 12pt Chassis Shipwright

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Azarken
Sat Aug 13, 2005 4:09 am
#11







Washell wrote:


Want your 2.5 million back?







no thanks i'll hold onto it



and thanks for letting me know. if i can find another lvl 8 reward blaster i'll pick some up


Message Edited by Azarken on 08-13-2005 02:05 PM



Azarken Talamasca

KaylBreinhar
Sat Aug 13, 2005 12:31 pm
#12

Azarken, if you're looking for L8s, you should hit up the vendor search NOW. A character that just so happens to share my surname has quite a few for sale less than 500m from the Agro Outpost.

I specialize only in L7 and L8 weapons for the reward blaster REs, and I go with a 107/108000 pricing structure...

...I'd LIKE to go back to the 20k I used to put them on the bazaar for to give people access to lower-priced components, but a particular reseller ruined that by buying them and then reselling them for Level x 20000. I'm not gonna put crap on the bazaar so someone else can line their pockets. At least I'm still undercutting him.

Message Edited by KaylBreinhar on 08-13-2005 03:33 AM



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Dadoum
Tue Aug 23, 2005 10:00 pm
#13

I'm still wrestling with this issue. Would like more input from other shipwrights.




Dadoum Ercad-17pt Engines/Weapon Systems 12pt Chassis Shipwright

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