Shipwright Archive

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Fishbreath wrote:

People who work hard should see the rewards of their work. Do you REALLY believe, in the situation where i collected all the 8 disks and the resources, which i bought using my HARD earned credits, and you craft it, that you put as much work into it as I did, and thus deserve to get as big a share as me? Please answer that honestly(and logically)

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Your words, not mine......Grinding to Master SW is not easy, or else there would be as many SW as there are Armorsmiths.....don't think Armorsmith's need 6 million units to master.....

So, since shipwrights DONT build firesprays on a regular basis, are you saying that they ARENT getting the rewards of their hard work from what they currently charge for their regular ships? I said if I collect all the firespray disks I should get the reward of my hard work: being able to do what I want with the firesprays made. You say putting the work into mastering shipwright should also yield a reward, to which I say that is exactly what its called when you get a mail saying someone purchased a ship of of your vendor for X amount of credits.

Takes alot of time and money to Master SW.....without which, you get no Firespray no matter what you put into it......

The flaw of that argument is that is true of ALL ships(firespray isnt the only ship at master), and that argument doesnt justify chargine more for one than the other since it IS true of ALL ships. What is the 'holy grail' to one person isnt to another. What is your 'endgame' is not anothers.

No one has indicated that they would get a 50-50 split with you....I said earlier keeping 1......

I know, and I appreciate your realistic attitude, sincerly.

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Everitt_Cage wrote:

Well, not sure what it's like on your server, so I can't speak to that. but on Radiant, we have a group that's VERY proficient at doing the DWB and crafting jetpacks.

I'm on corbantis...and, merely stating facts , the DWB team there has completed the only full suit of mando in the entire game, and tons of jetpacks as well, one of which i have.

Look on the flipside for a moment. You in your original theory would have had me make the ships for a pittance - And then turned around and sold the ships for a fortune. Is this any better way to treat another player?

No, not for a 'pittance', but for the price a shipwright would charge someone normally to build a ship of that size and resource consumption. If you think you arent charging enough for your ships and are only making a pittance, it would be your resonsibility to raise your prices, not mine. I would have put all the work into collecting all the disks, and would have reaped the bennifit of that: being able to sell the extra blueprints. People who work hard should see the rewards of their work. Do you REALLY believe, in the situation where i collected all the 8 disks and the resources, which i bought using my HARD earned credits, and you craft it, that you put as much work into it as I did, and thus deserve to get as big a share as me? Please answer that honestly(and logically)

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Yet again, you are not seeing the totality of my posts. In my example, i never - NOT ONCE - Suggested I should get as big a share as you, becauseI said *I* would not take your contract at any price. In my opinion, making the Firespray with that method would cheapen the experience for me.

The rest of my examples were also quite reasonable - One I suggested the same price as a master level ship - Meaning 450k x 4 = 1.8 million.PLUS a 10% fee on that for making a unique (rare) item, for a total of 1.98 million. Pray tell, how is that 10% markup not reasonable?

In only one of my suggestions to you did I advocate the equitable split of monies - And that was based on the SW providing the tools and resurces, and you providing the schematic. In that suggestion, and that one ONLY did I ever suggest an equal partnership. Logically, since that would be an equal partnership, equal profits are dictated.

One other section of your post rather annoys me - I know you do not intend any personal animosity, and neither do I - But please consider this:

Do you REALLY believe, in the situation where i collected all the 8 disks and the resources, which i bought using my HARD earned credits, and you craft it, that you put as much work into it as I did, and thus deserve to get as big a share as me?

I spent nearly 100 million credits for resources to become a Shipwright. Do you honestly believe that I spent that many credits to master a profession, spent the weeks mastering the profession - Just to make ships for people to resell at a huge markup over my price? Remember, points of view are always skewed the direction from which they eminate - I feel through my efforts and expenses I HAVE earned the right to dictate certain terms - Among those my prices. But the biggest thing to remember is, i'm not the enemy - Unless you would have been offended at me turning down your offer

I'm a little late to this exchange but I'll chip in now. When a player acquires a limited use schematic like a Scythe schematic (ability to make a scythe), the player, if interested in getting a scythe made, will give the schem to a weaponsmith. The usual compensation for each is one scythe for the person supplying the schematic and the remaining use for the Weaponsmith. If yellow cubes are introduced the exchange may be different. Now each player gets something out of this. The supplier gets one and the WS gets one to do with as he chooses. Now to this post. If a player acquires the firespray disks (ability to make a firespray), the player, if interested in getting a firespray made, will give the disks to a shipwright. Here is where it will differ and this is what I would do, if I wanted to make the firespraay in the first place. The player providing the disks gets one firespray made for supplying the disks. The SW gets one firespray for his time, expertise, and resources used. If the schemataic is more than two use, the SHIPWRIGHT gets to auction the remaining ships made. The profits for this would be 60% (at least) to the Shipwright, 40% (at most) to the supplier. The shipwright gets more because he is using his own resources, has the ability to make the ships, and has his name stamped on each ship and should reap the glory of holding the auction for producing the ships.

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Fishbreath wrote:

***EDIT*** Sorry for sounding like a jerk.......Phael'yn made the point, and with class.

Message Edited by Fishbreath on 02-17-2005 08:24 PM

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And so of course, I get 1 starred for my efforts