Shipwright Archive

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PaleGT1 wrote:

Subcriminal, there you go with the undercutting excuse again. Since you say you been around the block, was you one of those shipwrights ripping off players forcing them to pay 640k or higher for atier 1 fighter? Don't say it didn't happen, hehe. I used my Z-95 all the way into tier 3 cause of the ignorant shipwrights who mastered in the first hour the game went live and proceeded to get stupid with the prices. Most shipwrights that became shipwrights with the release of JTL, did so for the "easy money", then they found out it was too much work and got tired of people sending them /tells and most aren't shipwrights anymore. Once they killed the market, and made their money, they moved on. Blame them, don't blame the people trying to make a sell to keep JTL alive.

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Making chassis for the good of JTL is asking for self sacrifice, a job for the massochists, not I Chassis most certainly isn't it the way to go for a new shipwright, not with the market the way it is now. A server-wide SW price fixing alliance is out of the question, so I don't see the situation improving.A little of the right knowledge could easily steer these young'uns in the right direction and they won't have to give up SW to stay afloat. Encourage them to make ship parts and consumables that actually put food on the table, and leave chassis alone until the makret improves (which probably won't happen anytime soon)

The resource quality issues are what make the undercutting happen in the first place, that's where I place my blame- what gave you any idea to the contrary is beyond me. Second, stupid people making stupid decisions and slashing prices to stay competitive with the next dweeb is incidental. The initial undercutters- the ones who start the chain reaction-know EXACTLY what they are doing and they make a killing.

Well, sorry to disappoint you but I'm not an undercutter unless you call prices at 15-20 CPU undercutting. I'm just a crafter (since game launch) that saw this SAME EXACT scenario happen in two of the professions I had mastered long ago. I got royally screwed with the vehicle patch, and lost of lot of invested capital. Being a crafter for such a long time give you ample opportunity to think about the SWG economy and what sets it in motion (or brings it to a screeching halt). I learned my lessons back then, and as a result I have stayed far away from chassis. I couldn't have made a better business decision, especiallyconsidering 80% of the shipwrights on Bloodfinhave closed down their operations since the JTL boom.

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PaleGT1 wrote:

I, as both a pilot and shipwright, am glad someone decided to do this so-called "undercutting".

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>Nova Courier and the price would probably be well over 10 million. That would put the price of a Z-95 at roughly 1 million.

That's 66 credits for each unit of resource that goes into a ship! Even armorsmith/weaponsmith charging 20cpu or better, don't get to 66cpu! I'll admit of course that the first week, with so many pilots and so few resources, the prices were crazy. I also remember when AV-21's were going for 10million credits. The market naturally lowered the price, as it has done with starships.

>Any idiot shipwright charging more than 10cpu for even 1000stat resourcesbeing used in stuff is, pretty much an >idiot. Hell, i'm grinding the master box with the recent 1000 stat fiberplast. Blame the devs for being stupid enough to >put stats on resources, then blame the players for trying to use that as justification for jacking up ship prices.

I'd love to make my toilet seat out of gold bars, but they are just too rare for me to be able to afford them. However, plastic is everywhere and very cheap. Guess I'll stick to plastic. =(

> Why do I say that? Well, even the devs know, that when you make something, there's no way to prove, or disprove, >what stat resources were used in a product. Everytime I hear a any crafter say "I only use the best resources", I am >very happy and very quick to call them a LIAR and then ask them to prove it. To make me a peice of anything, and >show me where it says in the items description exactly what resources went into making this product.

>Maybe the devs should remove stats from the game. It has no great effect on outcome of the product anyways.

Ok, just to prove this is not true, I did an experiment. I made two lvl 7 blasters. One with pretty good resources, and one with low quality resources. Let's take a look at the results. Both the blaster and the Max-Damage-Intensifier were created with the same good resources, or bad. In both cases I experiemented in the same stats( Max damage and energy drain)

Good resources blaster

Damage 1378.4 - 2866.7

Mass 14553.2

refire rate .352

Bad resources blaster

Damage 1311.8 - 2584.6

Mass 14933.6

refire rate .364

Now lets talk about chassis, in this case I made 2 Z95 chassis.

Good resources

mass 12142.62

hit 1357.3562

Bad

mass 11910.675

hit 1385 (since I couldn't experiment anymore on the mass due to bad resources, I put a couple more into hit points)

The evidence suggests that good resources DO make a difference and the way you can tell if a crafter is lying is to check the facts.

>And as far as a "Crafter Alliance", regardless of professions, you might wanna try surviving on Corbantis before you >are so quick to endorse that. The armorsmiths have one on the Corbantis server. You can't buy even a full suit of >mabari armor for under 250k. Forget about composite armor unless you are one of those 550 billion credit exploiters, >hehe. Funny how SOE bans people for trying to be able to afford anything in the game, but they won't ban all the >crafters committing their exploits and their fraud. And they know who they are, if not, I'll be happy to remind them.

At this point I'm starting to wonder if this is another sarcasm post. I don't know about you, but I know several legitimate ways a player can make enough to buy a full set of composite that are not exploits.

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IIscandar wrote:

My post was mostly for people who read his post and wonder, "hmm is there anything to what he was saying?".

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Message Edited by PaleGT1 on 03-11-2005 04:05 PM

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PaleGT1 wrote:

Well Subcriminal, if you think you can give this girl a "talking to" with a baseball bat, I'll be more than happy to make you cry and never even touch you. Typical men, picking on girls. I bet you will petition to have the "wife beater" t-shirt added into the game next for tailors to make?

As our President once said.... "bring it on". But just remember, he's a MAN and from Texas. I won't run like the coward dog he is.

Gwenllian ap Cynan

Princess of Deheubarth, Wales

Message Edited by PaleGT1 on 03-11-2005 04:05 PM

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH. Guess what girlie, you're in over your head. If I have to tell you why, you don't deserve to know.

You're really not going to make a lot of friends here,since a lot of us would actually like to make a decent profit operating our business. Take your "female victim" mentality off my thread, it might work for sleeping your wayup to a wal-mart janitorial position, but it don't work on this thread.

Message Edited by Subcriminal on 03-11-2005 08:01 PM