Shipwright Archive

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PetaByte32 wrote:

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Astev_Aris wrote:

I understand that this is a bit of a issue for pilots, but is it not a good thing for Shipwrights? I know that we don't want to become "armor and missile monkeys" but this does give us a renewable customer base. I find it interesting that after all the threads about how to keep Shipwright from going the way of Architect, people are now complaining that components are decaying TOO quickly.

And really, it makes sense. If anything is gonna get beat up in a space battle, the armor would be it.

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I am not saying armor should not decay. Please reread my first post. I am saying that armor hitpoints shouldnt decay. Keep the same decay rate on the hitpoints. But not on the armor hitpoints.

People will still keep coming back to us.

Tyranus

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xtxShifter wrote:

Armor decay is fine. If it were changed, we shipwrights would lose alot of sales. Do you really want to be a missile salesman?

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Missle salesman or armor dealer. Hmmm same thing. Only difference is I can make missles in my factories. Cant do that with armor. And people tend to go through armor as fast as they do missles.

Tyranus

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xtxShifter wrote:

Armor decay is fine. If it were changed, we shipwrights would lose alot of sales. Do you really want to be a missile salesman?

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PetaByte32 wrote:

Ok let me explain it better. Armor Plates have 2 hitpoint values. The "Armor Hitpoints" and the "Hitpoints". The armor hitpoints is the actual armor value and the hitpoints are the life of the item.

So for example you have a plate that is 1200/1200 armor hitpoints and 300 hitpoints. You go out and shoot up the enemy. But in the process you go to 600/1200 on your armor hitpoints. Now you didnt die. In fact except for that one plate your ship is fine. So you decide to go repair it and head out again. You go to a space station and click to repair the item. Your armor after repair is now 1080/1080 armor hp and 270 hp.

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Not true, the repair causes a decay of 10% of the damage repaired, if you have taken no damage to hitpoints they wont decay.

Secondly your armour shouldn't be getting hit very often, if you are repairing it several times a night then you need to look at your shields, they should be soaking most of the damage and the armour is just there to protect your vulnerable components if your shields fail.

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lisasdarren wrote:

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PetaByte32 wrote:

Ok let me explain it better. Armor Plates have 2 hitpoint values. The "Armor Hitpoints" and the "Hitpoints". The armor hitpoints is the actual armor value and the hitpoints are the life of the item.

So for example you have a plate that is 1200/1200 armor hitpoints and 300 hitpoints. You go out and shoot up the enemy. But in the process you go to 600/1200 on your armor hitpoints. Now you didnt die. In fact except for that one plate your ship is fine. So you decide to go repair it and head out again. You go to a space station and click to repair the item. Your armor after repair is now 1080/1080 armor hp and 270 hp.

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Not true, the repair causes a decay of 10% of the damage repaired, if you have taken no damage to hitpoints they wont decay.

Secondly your armour shouldn't be getting hit very often, if you are repairing it several times a night then you need to look at your shields, they should be soaking most of the damage and the armour is just there to protect your vulnerable components if your shields fail.

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Ah I see another of those "Its your fault not the system's" posts.

Dude go get your armor shot up for awhile and see for yourself. I have gotten damaged several times so I know how its working. A nice new set of 1115/1115 armor that got damaged down to 810/1115 was repaired and dropped to 1003/1003. And I am talking about the armor plates. NOT the armor value on all the components. Just the two big durasteel panels you carry.

I have dang good shields but even the best shields wont help against things like the Dark Eclipse or the Rebel Gunboat in Imp Tier 3 missions. Dont forget there are some missions where you can have 20 people in a group with you and all the enemy fighters gun only for you. You, not them.

Tyranus

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PadiOne wrote:

Tyranus, I agree with you. I want to propose another option that seems equally viable.

When armor gets hit, it first takes dmg to the Armor HP. After that is gone, it takes dmg to the HP. It seems to me that since the purpose of Armor is to absorb dmg, that as long as only the AHP were affected, that there shouldn't be decay when it was repaired. Here's an example:

HP: 300/300

AHP: 700/1400

If this component has only taken dmg to the Armor portion, I don't think it should decay on repair. A repair here would put you to 300/300, 1400/1400 under my view of how this system should work.

Second Example:

HP: 100/300

AHP: 0/1400

Under this example, we have surpassed the dmg absorbtion that the armor is intended to take. We have dmged the structural integrity of the armor plating. Repairing this should cause decay. After repair, the stats should be 270/270, 1260/1260

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Ibixat wrote:what people ar "asking" for is that the repair act more like a weapon so that after a reapair the armor would go to

Armor Plate
Armor: 1024/1024
Hitpoints: 600/600 (or however fast they want this to decay, say Cert Level * 25 lost per repair or whatever)
Mass: 5000

This would allow the armor to function at "capacity" for the duration of it's hitpoints life, allowing it to be repaired more than once or twice before becomeing worthless. Armor does take hits, it will always take hits, needing to replace it every time a ship 2 tiers above you wanders by and obliterates you is not fair. After the second repair armor of one Mark rating lower is often superior in protection and lighter by far, that is why they are "useless" after 2 repairs, why blow the mass and cost on mk 4 armor when you can get twice as many mark 3 panels for less and they would last LONGER than the Mk 4, plus save you a ton on your car insuranc... erm mass.

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Message Edited by Dark_0ne on 11-18-2004 04:01 PM

Agreed that it needs revision, I do hope it gets attention at some point. The "HP decay only" would work, or a new armor-condition stat that only decays upon death (just like the ground game).

Oh, let's address this:

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lisasdarren wrote:

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PetaByte32 wrote:

Ok let me explain it better. Armor Plates have 2 hitpoint values. The "Armor Hitpoints" and the "Hitpoints". The armor hitpoints is the actual armor value and the hitpoints are the life of the item.

So for example you have a plate that is 1200/1200 armor hitpoints and 300 hitpoints. You go out and shoot up the enemy. But in the process you go to 600/1200 on your armor hitpoints. Now you didnt die. In fact except for that one plate your ship is fine. So you decide to go repair it and head out again. You go to a space station and click to repair the item. Your armor after repair is now 1080/1080 armor hp and 270 hp.

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Not true, the repair causes a decay of 10% of the damage repaired, if you have taken no damage to hitpoints they wont decay.

Secondly your armour shouldn't be getting hit very often, if you are repairing it several times a night then you need to look at your shields, they should be soaking most of the damage and the armour is just there to protect your vulnerable components if your shields fail.

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