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Thread: What's wrong with the worthless Shipwrights?????? Read if you care about SW!!!
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Graysoni
Mon Dec 13, 2004 9:22 pm
#1
Ok, this is my problem, Im a master Ithorian SW, main character not an Alt, first Master on my server, so far have sold about 12mil of ships or so and spent about 15mil in resources. This is my problem. I charge 5cpu, which is perfectly resonable. Then....I have 3 other master SW's come up and start charging 1.5-2.5cpu for ships. Umm, i cant buy/harvest resources for that!!!! So how can you???? Geeze I mean come on, you know your loosing money, and you drive SW's like me who charge a resonable price out of business. You cant be making any profit. Now dont get me wrong, somehow im still selling things, made 1.2 mil last night. But....I can keep up SW if everyone is selling less than what resources cost!! It pointless, moronic and stupid. If someone is selling you resources at 1cpu please send me the wp!!!!
Point---START CHARGING RESONABLE PRICES FOR YOUR SHIPS!!!! 150k for an Awing- come on!
Velneth
Mon Dec 13, 2004 9:27 pm
#2
Do the math. A person can certainly harvest for that. It only costs what? under .5 CPU to harvest on a 50% sport (and harvest power at a 50% spot), with non optimal harvesters.
Ship chassis are simply too damn big to chage high CPU prices for, particuarly when it comes to the fact that quality makes damn little difference.
Ship chassis are simply too damn big to chage high CPU prices for, particuarly when it comes to the fact that quality makes damn little difference.
pervel
Mon Dec 13, 2004 9:32 pm
#3
Simple answer: Harvest your own resources.
If you do that, you can make a profit selling as low as 1 cpu if you want. It will not be a huge profit and you would probably be making more money doing something else. But that is up to every player to decide. The game has a free market just like the real world. Live with it - there is nothing you can do to change that.
For the record I sell ships at or a little above 3 cpu. Since I harvest my own resources, that gives me a fine profit.
Rogue1970
Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:12 pm
#4
pervel wrote:
Simple answer: Harvest your own resources.
If you do that, you can make a profit selling as low as 1 cpu if you want. It will not be a huge profit and you would probably be making more money doing something else. But that is up to every player to decide. The game has a free market just like the real world. Live with it - there is nothing you can do to change that.
For the record I sell ships at or a little above 3 cpu. Since I harvest my own resources, that gives me a fine profit.
A good shipwright cannot harvest their own resources, it's simply not possible. The sheeer voume of a good shipwright negates the possibility.
I got thru about 10-20mil units a week and I do not do lot swaps or rent lots, as I have no time to manage them anyways. Instead I have an email list of about 50 miners with a team of 5 surveyors who find what I need. They forward me waypoints and stats, I in turn forward out the waypoints and the price I pay 2-4cpu for whatever current resource. Withing days deliveries of millions of units start coming in.
I also have a personal shopper or two who hound the trade forums and vendors of the galaxy finding me the 900+ stat resource I want, he confirms cost with me, buys it and delivers it adding a 1cpu fee as his profit.
I sell a fair amount of 5cpu Tier 1-4ships and get 1mil for Master ships easily. I have a dozen 2-3cpu SW's on my planet who continually spam their ewares, who I ignore their impact. I used to visit their shops to find empty or subpar parts on their vendors and just realize they are not my competition and they will not last.
Instead I spend my time making mid range priced HIGH QUALITY Parts (25k-150k for Mark 1-V) and keep well stocked Paitn, Missiles, Countermeasures, Droids, Flight Computers, Chips programmed and unprogrammed on my vendors - I have well over 1500 SW related items for sale at any time, and I am working to get it to a 2500 min inventory level.
If I do not do 5million a day, the server must have crashed....
It's all about QUALITY, keep your stuff of the highest quality and carry Chasis as a NOVELTY not a mney maker - because even at 5cpu, you aren't making squat. Make teh money off the 8cpu consumables and 20-50cpu parts - fair prices for quality product are what bring your loyal customers back. Word of mouth is another great motivater.
The worthless shipwrights will not last, and in 2 months people will realize they cannot sustain this kind of pricecutting like the architects could - it just doesn't work longterm. That's when we'll be in a position with our reputations to really excell as shipwrights of caliber.
alluzion
Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:14 am
#5
the thing of it is, the bonus for using really good resources is not that more noticable then using average ones. i have some of the best resources ever spawned on the server that i use on my own ships. but to use them in ships for sale no one is going to pay 3 mil for a decimator when you can pay far less for barely less quality. and the thing is it does take alot of resources for ships but people dont want to pay 300k for something they are going to use for a day of grinding. either they need to make ship resources lower since most ships dont have a long use span or give a much greater difference in terms of quality for resources used
pervel
Tue Dec 14, 2004 4:22 am
#6
I think you missed reading the original post properly. He was talking about ship chassis - not ship components. The quality of resources matters very little on ship chassis. Therefore it is not hard to collectthe resources needed to sell a fair amount of ship chassis at low price and still make a profit.
Rogue1970 wrote:
pervel wrote:
Simple answer: Harvest your own resources.
If you do that, you can make a profit selling as low as 1 cpu if you want. It will not be a huge profit and you would probably be making more money doing something else. But that is up to every player to decide. The game has a free market just like the real world. Live with it - there is nothing you can do to change that.
For the record I sell ships at or a little above 3 cpu. Since I harvest my own resources, that gives me a fine profit.
A good shipwright cannot harvest their own resources, it's simply not possible. The sheeer voume of a good shipwright negates the possibility.
I got thru about 10-20mil units a week and I do not do lot swaps or rent lots, as I have no time to manage them anyways. Instead I have an email list of about 50 miners with a team of 5 surveyors who find what I need. They forward me waypoints and stats, I in turn forward out the waypoints and the price I pay 2-4cpu for whatever current resource. Withing days deliveries of millions of units start coming in.
I also have a personal shopper or two who hound the trade forums and vendors of the galaxy finding me the 900+ stat resource I want, he confirms cost with me, buys it and delivers it adding a 1cpu fee as his profit.
I sell a fair amount of 5cpu Tier 1-4ships and get 1mil for Master ships easily. I have a dozen 2-3cpu SW's on my planet who continually spam their ewares, who I ignore their impact. I used to visit their shops to find empty or subpar parts on their vendors and just realize they are not my competition and they will not last.
Instead I spend my time making mid range priced HIGH QUALITY Parts (25k-150k for Mark 1-V) and keep well stocked Paitn, Missiles, Countermeasures, Droids, Flight Computers, Chips programmed and unprogrammed on my vendors - I have well over 1500 SW related items for sale at any time, and I am working to get it to a 2500 min inventory level.
If I do not do 5million a day, the server must have crashed....
It's all about QUALITY, keep your stuff of the highest quality and carry Chasis as a NOVELTY not a mney maker - because even at 5cpu, you aren't making squat. Make teh money off the 8cpu consumables and 20-50cpu parts - fair prices for quality product are what bring your loyal customers back. Word of mouth is another great motivater.
The worthless shipwrights will not last, and in 2 months people will realize they cannot sustain this kind of pricecutting like the architects could - it just doesn't work longterm. That's when we'll be in a position with our reputations to really excell as shipwrights of caliber.
For components you are right. But I don't see any shipwrights successfully selling components at very low cpu. Quality of resources does matter here.
Rogue1970
Tue Dec 14, 2004 5:44 am
#7
No I understood his point, and it would be physically impossible for me to harvest my own resources for even chasis. I can sell 10 Master level ships taking 1.5mil resources and use up my max weekly individual harvest in about 15 minutes.
He wants to be successful, not sell just chasis, but he has to stock the low profit chasis too,in order to be successful. It's a catch-22. At 5cpu, the markup is nothinng in comparison to the profit margins and volume of components, even if he harvests everything. Shop, factory, vendor, overstock costs are another expense for a shipwright. Even if your resource cost is under 1cpu, the profit gets chewed up quick.
The fact I sell a minimum of 50 chasis a week in addition to my component and consumablesales puts my resource needs in the 10mil+ unit range for a slow week.
Using the argument to harvest your own resources is more akin to a Master Artisan who has minimal needs, but a shipwright needs to keep millions of units lieing around just in backstock, or he's going to get caught in a bind at some point.
pervel
Tue Dec 14, 2004 6:16 am
#8
Well, it is hard to do everything alone in this game. If you don't have friends or guildies that can assist you with lots for harvesters, then you should probably consider selling fewer chassis or maybe only sell high-quality components. Nobody says that you *must* sell at least 50 chassis each week. If you harvested your own resources, I bet you could make a larger profit selling fewer chassis.
But it is all up to you to decide how to run your business. I can't decide what is best for you. And you can't decide what is best for other shipwrights. It is a free market - and thank god for that.
Erillion
Tue Dec 14, 2004 6:17 am
#9
I am shipwright ... I do harvest my own resources (for chassis and components). With heavy harvesters the monetary cost alone is 0.5 cr/unit. With my own time factored its about 1.5 cr/unit. Anything above that is profit.
Not to get me wrong .. I sell my chassis for 5-7 cpu .. and do sell some (chassis saturation on Naritus).
I sell my components for 10 cpu .. and sell a lot.
Do some advertising and marketing. Get out there and mine to increase your profit margin. If you want, get some cross server lots or lots from friends that dont use their lots.
If you dont, you will drop out of shipwright soon !
Have fun
Novarider
PS:
I talked to some of the shipwrights you call lowballers in your original post. They dont care about money. They essentially sell their product at the production cost ... 1.5 to 2.5 cpu. They DONT WANT TO MAKE PROFIT. So your words will fall on deaf ears ... they dont care if they undercut you, maybe they even get their kicks out of harassing a "profiteer that does price gouging and takes advantage of his customers" .... Ignore them and do your thing, at your prices !
Message Edited by Erillion on 12-14-2004 01:29 PM
TheKurgen
Tue Dec 14, 2004 7:09 am
#10
You know,I read the first post in this thread and one thing just really really sticks out to me. Anyone else find it just cpmpletely amusing this person is crying about only making 1.2 MILLION credits over night? OMG! you really have some issues LOL
Tyrrian LIghtforge
Master Shipwright
Babelon, Lowca
Graysoni
Tue Dec 14, 2004 7:33 am
#11
Well i sell everything for 5cpu, including parts, so my Mark V stuff without enhancements is 35k. Im not crying, im just saying that im down to 2-3 chassis per night now because of teh 1-2.5 cpuers. And yes it is impossible to do teh resource thing on my own considering the huge amount it takes. Only about a 1/4 of the resources i can harvest on my own that i use. I do spam every 95 seconds in Cnet at night and that helps, but when theres a 1-2cpuer spamming i usually get a 1/4th of the business i usually get!
Bsshadow
Tue Dec 14, 2004 7:59 am
#12
I guess I would fall into that "Worthless" shipwright category. I sell everything between 2.5-5 cpu, and use the best of resources for my components. You question how you can make a profit? Well since JTL went live I think that I have profited about 35 million or so. How did I do that? Mostly in mining my own resources (3 accounts with 4 chars, and about 10 lots from a friend). Also, I buy decent quality resources, but never pay more than 2-3 cpu (unless it is something I am desperate for then I will pay 4 cpu). I only stock chasis as they sell (have maybe 1-2 of each type on vendor at a time). I wouldn't say I am getting extremely rich doing shipwright, but my customers really like my quality and price. It takes me about 2-3 hours per week dealing with harvestors on average, but that I consider is just the cost of doing business. And I don't plan on raising my prices if I can help it.
Vedacon
Wagadodo
Tue Dec 14, 2004 8:04 am
#13
As a shipwright and pilot, I can say I was willing to pay the extra amount to get that extra 2 to 3 thousand mass on a high resource ship. That is the difference of having that extra sweet compent or that below average one because you couldn't hold more. So if you are selling 2-3 chassis a night. Well, sounds like you are doing really good. You might have dropped in number of sales, you sound like you are doing really with what you do have been doing. Sounds like you are getting re shoppers even. Those that did buy that really cheap ship, and now are now are seeing that you have quality ships to put into.
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