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Are this consistant results? Or a single example?
Before or after experimentation? At what experimentation percentage?

There is an assembly roll involved in assembly. A bad result on this roll with good resources is conceivable worse then a good roll with bad resources.

Regards

Niacia

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pervel wrote:

This is because the experimentation formula is not as straight forward as one might expect. The important thing here is that steel does not have the quality PE. This is NOT the same as saying it has PE=0 as one might expect. Instead PE is simply left out of the equation for steel. This in turn puts much more weight on the PE for the radioactive.

The general formula is a bit complicated to write down. So let me instead show how it is calculated for your two examples:

Example 1:

OQ = (991*2000 + 919*500) / (2000 + 500) = 976.6

PE = (211*500) / 500 = 211

Result = 0.6*OQ + 0.4*PE = 670.36

This will give you a maximum of 67% when experimenting.

Example 2:

OQ = (991*2000 + 329*500) / (2000 + 500) = 858.6

PE = (649*500) / 500 = 649

Result = 0.6*OQ + 0.4*PE = 774.76

This will give you a maximum of 77% when experimenting.

Thus, you can see that the radioactive used in example 2 will give you a higher maximum experimentational value. Informally, this is because PE is given more weight for the radioactive.

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I did not know that one. Thanks for the info.

Regards

Niacia

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pervel wrote:

There is nothing new in this experimentation formula. It works like that for all crafting professions.

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Granted this may be true but the REAL problem is that the crafting session quality bar (the bar next to each resource input slot) does not reflect this. This needs to be changed. If they are going to implement a feature that measures which resource is better to use, it absolutely should reflect which resource is better for the final product. I had a similar issue last night when I was trying to craft missiles.

For a MarkIV missile pack, I used OQ975/PE178 High Polymetric Radioactive versus OQ519/PE366 radioactive (with the same steel OQ957). According to the quality bar in the crafting session, the higher OQ radioactive was a much better choice. However, the radioactive with the lower OQ (but higher PE) consistantly produced missiles that were over 300 points of max damage better.

Now as a weaponsmith, I am familiar with the situation as described above as it pertains to resources lacking the required stat (ie like polymer and gas in powerhandlers). My complaint is that the schematics and the in-game tool that is supposed to help us decide between resources is NOT working as intended. If it was working properly than I wouldn't have to sit there plugging in my own formulas. What's the point in me determining that one radioactive has a better 50%OQ/50%PE stat if it produces a crappier product?!! The tool should reflect the FINAL product result not the individual resource.

Anywhere I can petition to get the tool fixed???

THEO

Message Edited by GoodAshe on 11-30-2004 10:25 AM

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pervel wrote:

There is nothing new in this experimentation formula. It works like that for all crafting professions.

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Clicky for teh win!

Yes, it would help, if the actual stats would reflect what really happens. Of course, if you keep the formula, this would mean, that you would need to have different requirements for each resource.

In the example above the steel would be 100% OQ, while the radioactive would be 20% 80%...

Btw, does the amount used for one resource matter?

What I mean to ask, is the following.

Assuming an item needs 200 units resource A and 100 units resource B, and all that matters is OQ.

Will the result be the same for
A: OQ 300
B: OQ 600
and
A: OQ 600
B: OQ 300
or is the quantity of the resource figured in as well?

Regards

Niacia