Shipwright Archive
Thread: Do we really need this level of complexity?
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Mkappus
Fri Oct 29, 2004 10:20 am
#1
Does shipwright really have to be this complex. Why do we have "Mark" and level of equipment. If confuses me and the consumer. Why not just have level of components. If I want to make a level 2 capacitor I should be able to, not a mark 1 and the right mark upgrade....
Come on look at capacitors
Mark 1-5 capacitor
4 types of uprades, each Mark 1-5
So to make capacitors there are 25 different items? These net 8 different levels of things? Seems ludicrous to me.
Slochini
Fri Oct 29, 2004 10:23 am
#2
You could always be a master artisan and make power ups. 
Sorry, just messing with you. Yeah, its a little silly. Its the consumer who has NO IDEA what they are buying I feel bad for.
Acorend
Fri Oct 29, 2004 10:25 am
#3
Agreed as a consumer/non-crafter it is confusing but maybe SWs can use the Description area of an item ?
Odan_Pazzmarr
Fri Oct 29, 2004 10:30 am
#4
I completely disagree. This is the first true crafting profession and i have done them all. There are guides to help your customer, Use them thats why they were written. I suggest take some time with each customer and school them on what the labels mean and what the levels they can use are....If you dont have time then refer them to my guide its easy to read and it explains almost everything you need to know for buying a ship. Use all the resources that are there to help your self and others. Dont just jump in feet first and expect it to be like any other profession because it isnt and thats what makes it so great, Learn your trade and help your customers and you will see this is exactly what we as crafters needed
Pazzmarr
Harkyn1
Fri Oct 29, 2004 10:35 am
#5
Odan_Pazzmarr wrote:
I completely disagree. This is the first true crafting profession and i have done them all. There are guides to help your customer, Use them thats why they were written. I suggest take some time with each customer and school them on what the labels mean and what the levels they can use are....If you dont have time then refer them to my guide its easy to read and it explains almost everything you need to know for buying a ship. Use all the resources that are there to help your self and others. Dont just jump in feet first and expect it to be like any other profession because it isnt and thats what makes it so great, Learn your trade and help your customers and you will see this is exactly what we as crafters needed
I second that! Lets not make this into a crafting profession where you have 1-2 options to customize the piece and thats it. This profession is great, if you cant hack it becasue there is too much info...then leave it those of us who can. I'm more then willing to explain to people buying what it is. I even build it then go out and test it myself then go back and redo what i don't like. I think SOE has a winner here with this profession.
Meddigo, Master Shipwright
Atlantkia, Naboo
-1711, 6020
Inoga_Tarien
Fri Oct 29, 2004 10:50 am
#6
In a few words, YES you need this level of complexity, otherwise LOOT items will be the rule not exception on ALL ships.
The -only- way SW's can compete with loot drops, is to have the ability to make MK1 reactors think they were Mark 2+.
And so on.
- I do give the Devs Credit when they Do things Right...
LonelyGhost
Fri Oct 29, 2004 11:02 am
#7
The optional upgrades do not change the Mark rating of the Major COmponent. They just enhance it in some way. SO a Mark III Capacitor, upgraded with a Mark 2 upgrade is STILL a Mark III Capacitor. It has just been customized for your customer. There are only 5 Mark'd Capacitors to be crafted.
Darrius
Fri Oct 29, 2004 11:31 am
#8
I think you may be missing the gist...
Yes, a Mark 2 Reactor with Mods is still a Mark 2 Reactor...at least as far as Tiers are concerned.
However, with the subcomponents, you can make a Mark 2 Reactor that is much more efficient than a std Mark 2.
Sure, there's a drawback to every "extra" you add...but that's a good thing.
I just think it's great to have such a wide scale of options available, both for me as a Crafter and for my Clients.
Ships are not like Geo Sonic Blasters. There is no "Best" ship to buy. Everyone flies with different skill and different tactics.
Having oodles of "tweaks" available allow us to craft a Product for our Customers that fits their desires and needs...instead of them having to fit themselves to the product.
My 2Cr....
Malitevv
Fri Oct 29, 2004 11:39 am
#9
This is different than what the poster is talking about but the one aspect of the profession that has me confused/annoyed is this:
Mark I: is level 1
Mark II: is level 3
Mark III: is level 5
Mark IV: is level 7
Mark V: is level 9
why have 9 levelsof skill if there are only 5 types of items to be crafted? Is there even a such thing as a "level 2" item for example? My Mark I items, enhanced with Mark I enhancers, are still level 1 so far as I can tell. So what is the point of having the levels go to 9?
I love this profession's setup. I love all the upgrades and the multitude of possible options.
But it does annoy me that 2=3, 3=5, 4=7, and 5=9.
Message Edited by Malitevv on 10-29-2004 11:42 AM
Simans
Fri Oct 29, 2004 11:44 am
#10
Mkappus wrote:
Does shipwright really have to be this complex. Why do we have "Mark" and level of equipment. If confuses me and the consumer. Why not just have level of components. If I want to make a level 2 capacitor I should be able to, not a mark 1 and the right mark upgrade....
Come on look at capacitors
Mark 1-5 capacitor
4 types of uprades, each Mark 1-5
So to make capacitors there are 25 different items? These net 8 different levels of things? Seems ludicrous to me.
I want it
Rancorbait
Fri Oct 29, 2004 11:49 am
#11
You have to look at the way the pilot certs work.
Each level of equipment training gives you certs in two levels of gear.
So a pilot at 1,1,1,1 can use level 1( from novie ) level 2, and level 3 gear ( from first teir of pilot )
The crafted items fall on the chart below, and the looted items fill in the rest of the levels.
That is how it was explained in beta anyways.
Mark I: is level 1
Mark II: is level 3
Mark III: is level 5
Mark IV: is level 7
Mark V: is level 9
rexan
Fri Oct 29, 2004 11:55 am
#12
Mkappus wrote:
Does shipwright really have to be this complex. Why do we have "Mark" and level of equipment. If confuses me and the consumer. Why not just have level of components. If I want to make a level 2 capacitor I should be able to, not a mark 1 and the right mark upgrade....
Come on look at capacitors
Mark 1-5 capacitor
4 types of uprades, each Mark 1-5
So to make capacitors there are 25 different items? These net 8 different levels of things? Seems ludicrous to me.
The combinations are staggering. This is why being a shipwright pretty much will mean every job you do is custom.
There will be a few combos of each item which will rise to the top as being more useful. But untill then, just sell them a vinalla ship in a bag, let them figure it out. Once the individual pilot figures out what he needs, he will then request a custom order.
Shipwright is going to be the tailor of the engineering profession.
Malitevv
Fri Oct 29, 2004 11:55 am
#13
I know that. But what is the point? since the pilots gain access to both level 2 and level 3 gear at the same time, why not just do away with the entire notion of "level 2" (and all the other even numbered levels) so that the pilot skill level and the mark level will be equal??
Rancorbait wrote:
You have to look at the way the pilot certs work.
Each level of equipment training gives you certs in two levels of gear.
So a pilot at 1,1,1,1 can use level 1( from novie ) level 2, and level 3 gear ( from first teir of pilot )
The crafted items fall on the chart below, and the looted items fill in the rest of the levels.
That is how it was explained in beta anyways.
Mark I: is level 1
Mark II: is level 3
Mark III: is level 5
Mark IV: is level 7
Mark V: is level 9
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