Shipwright Archive

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Fishbreath wrote:

I would do it, but ONLY if WELL compensated for it....not just payment "same as any other Tier 5 ship"......Firespray is not just "any other Tier 5 ship"........if you try to use the Shipwright as a "means to an end"....an "inconvenient middleman" to your dreams....you could get taken to the cleaners.....

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• No, Im not saying that at all...Firespray has same resource requirement (150K) as other Tier 5 ships.


• You are right....I make all ships with the best resources I have available at the time of construction.


• Yes I would.

.....the point being missed in my post you quoted about me having to be "well compensated" has to do with the fact that I would need something other than a cursory 3-5cpu fee for doing this "favor".....It is "my" experiment points used to make the best Firespray schematic, I grinded hard for those points......Firesprays are "rare"........therefore compensation for the manufacture of one should be "rare".....ie: maybe keeping one for myself....an earlier post shed a little light too....

Well, I won't accuse you of being greedy...everyone that lives and breaths is greedy to a greater or lesser extent.The biggerquestion is, will you be able to find a shipwright to agree tothis deal? Speaking for myself, I wouldn't do it (but that's just me).

Something elseto consider: Because Firesprays are so rare and expensive, people expect them to be made from best-of-the-best resources. Considering you can get millions for them, this generally isn't a problem for the shipwright. However, ifyou're expecting a shipwright to make them for the same price as a stanard Tier V ship (2 cpu, 3 cpu, maybe 5 cpu?) then don't expect the Firesprays to be made with best-of-the-best resources.

Personally my view is, if you want to sell ships, then spend the points (and resources) to become a shipwright. Treating master crafters as assembly monkeys doesn't set well with most master crafters, regardless of what kind of stuff they make.

Slim Vargo, Corbantis

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We are not assembly monkeys......Many of us genuinly love the craft......But......our customers need to be realistic when they come to us and want to give us "pennies on the dollar" for helping to create one of the rarest loot items in the entre game.

Speaking of pennies....I just gave both of mine

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Everitt_Cage wrote:

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Fishbreath wrote:

I would do it, but ONLY if WELL compensated for it....not just payment "same as any other Tier 5 ship"......Firespray is not just "any other Tier 5 ship"........if you try to use the Shipwright as a "means to an end"....an "inconvenient middleman" to your dreams....you could get taken to the cleaners.....

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Well, are you saying it takes more/better resources than a reg tier 5 ship? I'm sure you ARENT saying you dont try to make good tier 5 ships w/ good resources as it is, so if I asked you to make a firespray for me wouldnt you be using the same good resources you already use as a good shipwright?

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Same Resources:

70,000 Steel, 20,000 Low-Grade Ore , 10,000 Siliclastic Ore , 10,000 Inert Petrochemical, 10,000 Aluminum, 10,000 Iron, 10,000 Fiberplast, 10,000 Copper
All Chassis, Primary Attributes: 25% OQ, 25%Mal, 25% SR, 25% UT

I think the OQ requirement has been removed, but I don't remember. Honestly, no way I use good resources on chassis that I sell on my vendor. There's no point, the little bit of differentation isn't worth the price they sell for. If I use good resources, its for a good friend or a special order.

As for your questions on fair compensation, you really need to bring that up with the shipwright you deal with or your galaxy auction forum if nothing else. One person might ask for lots of credits, one might ask for a small credit fee but you supply resources, one might simply ask to keep one ship from the schematic for his own use (or personal resale).

One thing, could you PLEASE keep your questions to one post instead on continually making new posts on this subject? Thank you,

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Everitt_Cage wrote:

I'm working on getting a firespray. I've bought 2 of the disks so far and when I finally get the rest I plan on hiring a shipwright to make my firespray. In regards to this information, a shipwright said(of me asking if I should get the disks myself):

"Yes you could buy the disks and then have a shipwright make youa ship. One note, if you do this you will have one VERY happy shipwright, as one disk will yield a multi-use schematic. I'm not sure how many, but 3 or 4 use sounds about right. Unless you ask for all the ships."

Now, my question to you is, since the disks are mine, and I am paying the shipwright to make the schematic and blueprint for me, the schematic will still be mine, of course, correct? I plan on paying him whatever he would charge to make any other ship on that level to make me as many firespray blueprints as can be made from that schematic, which i plan on then selling(except the 1 for myself). Is that greedy or completely realistic?

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In theory, I can only seea fewpotential scenarios that would be realistic, and give you AND the Shipwright an equitable business deal.

1. You supply disks, Shipwright supplies equipment and resources. You split the amount of ships made (If a 4 use schematic, you get 2, the SW gets 2) and no monies change hands.


2. You supply Disks AND Resources to make all blueprints. Pay SW a percentage fee based on what you plan on selling Blueprints for (4 Firespray, assuming 20% fee)= you sell at 5 million each = 1.6 million to SW.


3. You supply Disks - SW charges you his base resource cost, and a fee for the actual crafting. (I charge 3cpu, so *I* would charge you 450k times 4 +10% = 1.98 million)


4. You Supply disks, SW supplies resources - You pay SW his full price for a Firespray, and you keep the additional blueprints. (I charge 8 million - You'd pay me 8 mill, and have 3 ships you could sell at a potential 24 mill)

Message Edited by Everitt_Cage on 02-17-2005 06:56 PM

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Everitt_Cage wrote:

thnx for replies everyone. Can I ask a question though? It seems like, in all those senarios, I owe the shipwright something other than a fee for crafting and his resources just because he's making MY firespray? Why is this? Nothing to do with the firespray what-so-ever is the shipwrights. I'm supplying the firespray disks, not him. Why would I give him one of the blueprints or part of the proffit of selling them? I'm paying him for work and resources, but the disks and firesprays are not his, so, and I'm not trying to be smart, can someone explain this to me, as its confusing.

Message Edited by Everitt_Cage on 02-17-2005 06:56 PM

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1. Prestige: I want other people to know I made this. It is the Shipwright's crowning achievement, after all.


2. Reward: May sound like Greed, and in essence, it is - But why am I going to make a Rare item for Common prices? After all, I can refuse you outright, wait till I get the disks on my own, and keep ALL the profits.


3. Expertise: As I said, you need my experience and skill level - Without me, you plain can't do it, whereas I CAN do it all myself.

What it really all boils down to is this - You are looking at it as any other commodity, which it really isn't. It's rare, and in MY opinion, should be treated as such. If I make you 4 Firespray at 450k, I make 1.8 million. If I make 4 Krayt master ships, I make 1.8 million. - Where is my incentive?

Also, let me give you a review of the crafting process involved:

1. Insert 8 disks into a Component Analysis Tool, RE the disks and get the Schematic.


2. Learn the Schematic. (Key point here: Once learned, Schematic can only be used by me)


3. Compare needed stats, and select appropriate resources to use.


4. Input Resources, experiment for optimazation.


5. Rinse and Repeat steps 3 and 4 till all ships are complete.

I understand how you wish what you went to the effort to buy to be yours. It's only common sense. But, common sense also dictates that if you provide a schematic, and *I* provide the expertise, we are in essence partners for a limited duration of time. Consider that I can do it without you at all, and you cannever do it without me.

I'm not sure if I really made it clear in my first response to you - But I for one wouldn't take your contract, no matter how much you offered. For a Shipwright, making a Firespray is essentiallythe professions'"end game", and in a very real sense, I feel that unless i "earned" all the parts through RE, and did it all myself - I have taken a shortcut to that end.

Message Edited by Phaelyn on 02-17-2005 11:00 PM