Scout Archive
Thread: Every Scout/Rangers want to know.....
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Cauil
Tue Jan 18, 2005 4:21 am
#14
Fodder650 wrote:
Actually this question comes up constantly and is addressed in the FAQ
Yeah but, the single fastest way to level camping xp seems to be a secret, even though I have been telling people about it ever since I came up with it.
Gooney
Tue Jan 18, 2005 5:54 am
#15
JBMat,
I didnt ask for that. I asked for civil answers for new scouts or anyone who asks a question. The original poster did not ask for a macro, he asked for the fastest way to master scout survival.
A camping macro is pretty stupid, if you want to do Survival as fast as possible simply get a crafting macro and churn out camp kits in practice. No fuss, no muss.
And as far as a macro being lazy. How EXACTLY is a macro that requires you to do input more lazy than sitting in a camp while you watch TV in real life?
Im sorry to rain on your parade but camping has been obsoloeted in this game by
-Uber Buffs which never require people to rest
-The ability to insta pull vehicles
-The ability to insta pull pets
-Uber Buffs that allow Uber armors that mean that people are essentially never required to Heal during a hunt.
-Solo Hunting which is only possible because Uber Armors and Uber Buffs mean that you can kill anything in the game by yourself.
Please dont try and tell me that there is something that people are missing by macroing/crafting or however they do survival enleu of doing it how we had to do it in the begining. Because theyre not, there is nothing to learn about camping, and very very little benifit from it in practice. I still use my camps but thats just because I like them. You will never find a group that will actually want to sit in them these days.
I was very disappointed when they allowed insta-pets, and insta-vehicles. I loved camps, they were the focus before and after every single hunt in the old days. Hopefully after the CU people will use them again, but I wouldnt count on it.
-Gooney
Message Edited by Gooney on 01-18-2005 02:59 PM
Cauil
Tue Jan 18, 2005 6:05 am
#16
JBMat wrote:
OK Gooney. You asked.
macros are for morons
You learn absolutely nothing macro camping, other than you are too freaking lazy to actually earn something. If you want to macro, go be a freaking artisan or BH or entertainer.
How to max survival - and I did it scout and ranger the old way, when crafting didn't freaking count so quit whining.
1. Get in a hunting group. Real people. Tell them after every mission set you will be making camp for your XP. Get a doc to come along for xp. An entertainer too. Have anyone with pets call them and heal them. Craft some traps while in the camp. A Ranger FB maxes in 8 minutes with 8 people actually alive and doing stuff. Yours will max quicker.
2. Pop camp near a popular spot and actually sit in there, live, and invite people in to heal. Better with a doc too, as he gets healing xp and doesn't wear out his bot. For that matter, find a spot near a popular spawn site, bring said doc, and offer buffs there. Wow, what a good idea !! glad I stole it.
3. Camp for grins and giggles whenever you get a chance. Grinders for FS need a break now and then. If you are trying to max trapping at the same time, make traps in camp. Reduces the load of traps in your inventory.
It is not how fast you can get from point A to point B. It is what you learn along the way. Macro and you are a stupid Scout... all you know is how to work a freaking macro. Big deal. No clue on what other planets but your starter planet is like - wow, I am impressed you found how many POIs on Tat... move along moron.
Go to all the planets. Been to Rori? Hunted the big ass turtles there? What are they called? Been to Yavin4 and heard the snakes chasing ya - what are they called and what noise do they make? If you don't know, welcome to the ranks of the macroers. Real scouts have been there, done that, and ran from aggros all over the galaxy.
There is no need to macro survival, unless you are going to become a Squat Leader. And that boys and girls, is one profession that is truly useless unless you are in PvP. So have at it.
JB
This is a game, there is no "better" way to play the game because its all about having fun. And using macros in no way means someone has any less fun with their profession nor does it grant upon someone who does not use macros any sort of elite status.
Really, all the insulting words for people who do things differently from youare not necessary. Play how you play and be happy, and let other people play how they want to play.
DeltaXi65
Tue Jan 18, 2005 8:59 am
#17
Guys,
Lay off of JB. He means well.
The real issue here is simply the fact that we continually are asked what's the quickest way to level through the survival tree, despite the fact that there's a large section of my guide devoted to getting through the survival tree. The only thing that's not included in the guide is the "pet trick" right now, because it's on the Devs list of bugs to be fixed and I don't want to have to update it when the change comes out.
I wrote the guide so that people could get this information quickly, when they want it.
Macroing survival is NOT the quickest way to get it done. In fact, it's one of the worst, because the macros are not easy, they're not fool proof, and the time you spend tweaking the macro is time you could have spent in your camp, making more camps, and getting through the trees. That's the bottom line.
So forgive JB's vehemence, but don't ignore the message because of the format.
B
Lay off of JB. He means well.
The real issue here is simply the fact that we continually are asked what's the quickest way to level through the survival tree, despite the fact that there's a large section of my guide devoted to getting through the survival tree. The only thing that's not included in the guide is the "pet trick" right now, because it's on the Devs list of bugs to be fixed and I don't want to have to update it when the change comes out.
I wrote the guide so that people could get this information quickly, when they want it.
Macroing survival is NOT the quickest way to get it done. In fact, it's one of the worst, because the macros are not easy, they're not fool proof, and the time you spend tweaking the macro is time you could have spent in your camp, making more camps, and getting through the trees. That's the bottom line.
So forgive JB's vehemence, but don't ignore the message because of the format.
B
Gooney
Tue Jan 18, 2005 9:23 am
#18
DeltaXi65 wrote:
Guys,
Lay off of JB. He means well.
The real issue here is simply the fact that we continually are asked what's the quickest way to level through the survival tree, despite the fact that there's a large section of my guide devoted to getting through the survival tree. The only thing that's not included in the guide is the "pet trick" right now, because it's on the Devs list of bugs to be fixed and I don't want to have to update it when the change comes out.
I wrote the guide so that people could get this information quickly, when they want it.
Macroing survival is NOT the quickest way to get it done. In fact, it's one of the worst, because the macros are not easy, they're not fool proof, and the time you spend tweaking the macro is time you could have spent in your camp, making more camps, and getting through the trees. That's the bottom line.
So forgive JB's vehemence, but don't ignore the message because of the format.
B
You dont have to defend JB hes a big boy. No one is attacking him but I'm personally about as sick of self-rightious answers as he is of stupid questions.
Just be nice, is it so hard? No reason to call people morons, or idiots or whatever. If you dont agree thats one thing, but come on, its a game and its not like anyone here is like some sort of elite scout.
Every one posting on this forum is at least passingly interested in Scouting and Rangering. Some want to do it fast some want to do it slow. To each their own, its their "dime" so to speak.
I can almost guarantee that Ive been a scout as long as anyone here, yes there were times when I had no-scout or ranger but not very long stretches. As far as useful professions go Scout is in my opinion right up there at the top, I'd even say its the most useful of the novice professions on its own merit.
There ya have it, and yes his message was validbut inflammitory andoozing with self-importance.
-Gooney
JBMat
Tue Jan 18, 2005 10:20 am
#19
Scout/Rangers who master and never leave their starter planet are morons. Pure plain and simple. Ask them a question about what animal drops what resource - blank freaking looks. Can you get me X amount of this resource? They have no clue where to go or what to do? How can that possibly be fun? Never mind it freaking insults the rest of the community who actually worked to get their titles.
I didn't craft. I didn' t macro. 99.9% of my camps I was there, live and in person, at the very least healing or just bs'ing with buddies. I have every POI badge, and ran to about 80% of them. I have done about all the major quests, most of the minors, and some no one has found but me ( anyone know where Corran Horn is?).
It makes me insane to see a Ranger wanna be sitting in a camp near the starport on Lok spamming for visitors. There was one, and the camp got ate by a huurton, I was so sorry - not. And still the moron (yes moron, as no other term can describe what macroers really are) sat and spammed in the middle of nothing for the rest of his 51 minutes.
The line about SL was directed at someone and he knows who he is. (right Brisc?)
I told people how to best max survival. Ain't quick nor is it pretty, but it's sure as hell more fun than a macro and you learn a lot more about the game than from a recursive macro that runs all freaking night.
If you can't run with the big dogs, go be an Image Designer. Sit in Coronet and macro your buns off. At least no one will ask you what drops the most wooly hide in the game on a regular basis. (and can any macroers tell me, without looking it up?)
JB
FourthNail
Tue Jan 18, 2005 10:38 am
#20
JBMat wrote:Scout/Rangers who master and never leave their starter planet are morons. Pure plain and simple. Ask them a question about what animal drops what resource - blank freaking looks. Can you get me X amount of this resource? They have no clue where to go or what to do? How can that possibly be fun? Never mind it freaking insults the rest of the community who actually worked to get their titles.I didn't craft. I didn' t macro. 99.9% of my camps I was there, live and in person, at the very least healing or just bs'ing with buddies. I have every POI badge, and ran to about 80% of them. I have done about all the major quests, most of the minors, and some no one has found but me ( anyone know where Corran Horn is?).It makes me insane to see a Ranger wanna be sitting in a camp near the starport on Lok spamming for visitors. There was one, and the camp got ate by a huurton, I was so sorry - not. And still the moron (yes moron, as no other term can describe what macroers really are) sat and spammed in the middle of nothing for the rest of his 51 minutes.The line about SL was directed at someone and he knows who he is. (right Brisc?)I told people how to best max survival. Ain't quick nor is it pretty, but it's sure as hell more fun than a macro and you learn a lot more about the game than from a recursive macro that runs all freaking night.If you can't run with the big dogs, go be an Image Designer. Sit in Coronet and macro your buns off. At least no one will ask you what drops the most wooly hide in the game on a regular basis. (and can any macroers tell me, without looking it up?)JB
JB I like you man ;-)
My guild mayor is a master armorsmith. Poor guy can't figure out why I don't want to wear the awesome uB3r L337 composite armor suit he gave me. It's a great full suit of quad 80 but wearing it offers little opportunity at style nor finese.
Being a Ranger in my mind is being the guy who CAN fight rancors unarmored and unbuffed and does so with a rabid vigor for killing
I also dabble in ch and tamed me a nice lvl 14 dire cat baby last night. After I was done I looked at my radar and holy crap, it was red all over. Tabbages, war grondas, dire cats, molted wrixes and great plains stalkers all with 100m of each other. I... was screwed.Then something broke my maskscent and I jumped for cover. Was ignored until I stood up to reapply my maskscent. Right before I clicked the hotbutton I got swarmed. Eight creatures at once, HELLO cloning facility. I feel those who rely too much on macros or shortcuts are the same ones who think it below them to have to visit a cloning fac every once in awhile. I hate doing it, but it's part of the game and I like taking risks in this game.
It's rare that I ride my swoop or speeder anymore when I'm on another planet besides Corellia. I went to pick up some clothes on Dantooine last night and walked about 8000m around the planet, taking my time before I finally visited the mall and picked up my order. Some people just don't get it. And SOME Rangers, just make better architects.
And yes, the last four badges I got for POI's I got by accident. Didn't even know they existed until I walked up on them.
Plunk
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